Israeli arms sales during Rwandan genocide...

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    I wondered if any apologists would take a shot at this one. LOL
     
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    ""Arming Genocide in Rwanda
    By Stephen D. Goose & Frank Smyth, September 3, 1994,

    Russians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovaks, and others are aggressively promoting arms sales. The collapse of Moscow's central control has given governments and the officials left in charge of existing stockpiles a free hand. With the Russian ruble devalued and East European nations in need of hard currency, their governments are likely to try to sell even more small arms in the future. The CIA reports that Russian crime syndicates are also involved in nongovernmental weapons sales.

    By 1993, Rwanda's Hutu government had begun to look to Russia to buy arms, especially Kalashnikov AKMs. But the key suppliers for government forces were France, Egypt, and South Africa. A $6 million contract between Egypt and Rwanda in March 1992, with Rwanda's payment guaranteed by a French bank, included 60-mm and 82-mm mortars, 16,000 mortar shells, 122-mm D-30 howitzers, 3,000 artillery shells, rocket-propelled grenades, plastic explosives, antipersonnel land mines, and more than three million rounds of small arms ammunition.""

    ""Other countries, like South Africa, the Seychelles and China, have also either provided weapons support to the ex-FAR and militias, or have facilitated the supply of arms from ostensibly private sources.""

    ""Zairian officials, including military chiefs, have played a key role both in supplying arms and facilitating arms flows to the FAR""

    I take it the thread on China, Seychelles, France, Russia, Albania, Egypt, South Africa and the others is coming soon or are we simply going to just blame this on Israel for some reason?
     
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    Your article does NOT even mention Israel... great source!

    And, if there is truth in that article, do you also support these other genocidal nations? And do you also spend hours on the internet mouth-piecing for all these other nations?

    Have you ever heard of hasbara? Check it out; you could actually get paid.
     
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    And your mentions not a word of the bulk of the arms deals. In any case, Foriegnaffairs.com is rather respected I agree.

    There is as the information is verified in every 'Rwanda arms supplier' search.

    I support them in many things but believe other things are not right. Your point?
    I mouth piece for no nation. Why do you spend so much time on the internet applying double standards to Israel?

    Yes I have, while not a participant I have heard they pay a lot better than what you get at Al Asqa, what, with complimentary chickens and time alone with goats.
     
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    So, the article you posted does not mention Israel and you consider it a valid source. And you don't realize that the article I posted was an Israeli article so of course it was about Israel.

    And the "time alone with goats" comment is blatantly racist which I thought was not tolerated here, but whatever, at least it shows your true colors.

    That said, let us keep in mind that the Rawandan genocide is just one part of a far greater picture which you blindly support.

    In 2006, Israel’s largest news site Ynet published a courageous article by nationalist Israeli writer Sever Plocker who admitted that “some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.”

    Like Yuri Slezkine, Plocker admits that the Stalin death machine was operated by Jews such as Genrikh Yagoda and Lazar Kaganovich. In 1934, at the peak of Stalin’s purge: “38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.”

    In recent years we have learned that a quarter of the International Brigade that fought Franco in Spain was Jewish, and the Lingua Franca of the Brigade was Yiddish. I have lost a few Jewish ‘anti’ Zionist friends trying to discuss that topic and to grasp the role of the Yiddish speaking combatants in the destruction of Catholic Spain in that bloody war. Showing far more integrity than our ‘allies’ on the Left, Zionist Plocker writes: “I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.”

    It would be encouraging to imagine a genocide that is totally free of any Jewish involvement. Sadly, the Rwanda genocide doesn’t fit into this mythical category.

    Haaretz reported last week that the Israeli Supreme Court decided to uphold the denial of a Freedom of Information request to make public documents about Israeli ‘defense’ exports to Rwanda at the time of the 1994 genocide in that country.

    In 2014, attorney Eitay Mack and Prof. Yair Auron submitted a request to the Defense Ministry under the Freedom of Information Law, asking for details of Israeli arms exports to Rwanda between 1990 and 1995. In 1994, hundreds of thousands of Tutsi minority Rwandans were slaughtered by the Hutu majority during Rwanda’s civil war.

    Israel’s Defense Ministry refused the request, saying this information “was not to be divulged.”

    Mack and Auron appealed to the Supreme Court who unanimously rejected their appeal. The Court held that:

    We found that under the circumstances the disclosure of the information sought does not advance the public interest claimed by the appellants to the extent that it takes preference and precedence over the claims of harm to state security and international relations.

    The message is unmistakable. The Jewish State, that made the Holocaust into its state religion, is actively concealing its involvement in the genocide of another people. This is the true meaning of the Holocaust Religion — it is concerned with the primacy of the suffering of one people alone and these people aren’t Tutsi.


    By Gilad Atzmon / April 16th, 2016
    Gilad Atzmon, now living in London, was born in Israel and served in the Israeli military. He is the author of The Wandering Who and one of the most accomplished jazz saxophonists in Europe. He can be reached at: atz@onetel.net.uk.
     
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    Mine is from 1994 so they didn't have all the information but they certainly knew at that time there were a lot of other nations involved.

    Racist? You used a Hebrew word to describe my factual post about Israel and now are crying racism? Go ahead, be sure to consult with your Hamas cell leader first though.

    That's nice. What on earth has that to do with Rwanda and the fact that among the twenty or so nations that supplied arms Israel may have as well?

    It would be encouraging to find one that had no French, Chinese, Russia etc involvement as well. Not sure what your poiint is but better not shut the goats out as a reward for your posts because I don't think you'll be getting paid hard currency.

    Uh huh. We knew that. We also know that various other western nations supplied arms to Rwanda. Not sure what your point is.

    WTF? We don't even have access to the information yet and this is how you troll the internet and cry racism when you get called out for accusing others of being a member of a Hebrew cell when they post facts?

    Wow, a Holocaust religion. Care to back this one up with some facts. Something like the definition of a 'Holocaust Relgion. Some examples of one. Who is their head priest and what are the rites etc. How many members does it have.
     
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    You found the first shill article that you could so of course it never mentioned Israel.


    LOL at factual and my use of a hebrew word as racist as I am an American Jew who has been and will remain active against bigotry of all forms.


    It shows a history of mass murder that is rarely or never mentioned, but by a few honest jews like Gilad.


    It is a term that is used among Jews who see it for what it is. The "holocaust industry" is another that was coined by yet another Jew trying to get the truth out to the world, Norman G. Finkelstein. And before you run off on another irrelevant tangent, please keep in mind that my family on both sides escaped Hilter's Nazi's in Europe for America.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.
     
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    1994 and they already knew the others. Deal with it.

    Good for you. I'm not a Jew so when you used a foreign word to describe me I had to laugh. Now get back to your Hamasbara cell at Al Asqa and tell them you want a couple more chickens for posting almost a full page of garbage.

    Left out 60 million by Mao, another few million by Hitler etc. We can go on and on without there being one Jewish guy involved at all. Say, how many Asians were involved in the Great Leap Forward? A lot, so, by your book that means all Asians are mass murderers right?
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    Oh, well better provide a link to it because I believe you are lying.

    As far as I know your name is Kalid and you are posting from a tunnel in Gaza so pony up with the proof please otherwise ask your Al Asqa cell leader what to do when you are stumped.

    LOPL never did. I loved bursting yours with your stupid post about calling three events all false flags when only one was and, it was among hundreds of other ones that many other nations have been documented doing at that. And that silly map I blew out of the water was another one as well as the Neturi Karta Rabbis and your idiotic claim they represented mainstream Judaism when there are only a couple thousand of them in the entire world.
     

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