Gingrich- Trump's remarks about judge a "mistake", "inexcusable"

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  1. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    "Nope"? Trump was NOT making it about his heritage?

    Or did we need YOU to "translate" what "Trump really meant"....and you weren't available during the speech...

    like the people who sign for the deaf?

    :D
     
  2. The Mello Guy

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    Yes they are affiliated as in they are all Latino groups.
     
  3. Ronstar

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    Proof you dont read what people post or you dont care....
     
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    Newt is a "disgruntled liberal turned Republican?" Maybe that's true on your planet. But you were apparently not around when Newt was Speaker , and the leader of an astonishingly successful conservative movement in the 90s.

    BTW, Americans: Freedom for everyone
     
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    He is an American -- not a Mexican. Do you understand the difference RP12 or is that simply beyond you??

     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Judge was born in the USA, not Mexico.

    he is part of a Hispanic legal group. Is that a problem for you?
     
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    Trump Responds To Accusations Of Racism With Fake Photo Of Black Supporters


    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...cusations-racism-fake-photo-black-supporters/


    At a Friday afternoon rally in California, Trump sought to highlight his support from minorities.
    “Look at my African-American over there,” he shouted.

    He seems to have made things worse, with many noting that his phrasing implied ownership over the man.
    One of the major hurdles for Donald Trump to win the presidency is his deep unpopularity among non-white voters. A recent survey found Trump is viewed unfavorably by 86% of black voters and 75% of Latinos.
    Trump’s comments about the African-American man came after reiterating his belief that a federal judge should be disqualified from presiding over the Trump University fraud case because of his “Mexican heritage.” (The judge was born in Indiana.)
    This morning on Twitter, Trump was back at it, highlighting the support of an African-American family.


    Donald J. Trump ✔ [MENTION=3512]real[/MENTION]DonaldTrump
    "@Don_Vito_08: Thank You Mr. Trump for Standing up for Our Country! #VoteTrump2016 JOIN ME ON THE #TrumpTrain�� http://twitter.com/Don_Vito_08/status/739075864793653248/photo/1pic.twitter.com/zgopGvSEen "
    7:49 AM - 4 Jun 2016
    4,280 4,280 Retweets 13,826 13,826 likes
    Just one problem. The photo is fake.


    Seriously shameful: Trump's retweeted photo of "supporters" was lifted from @WCPO http://bit.ly/1U10VvT https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/739076562876829696 …



    It was not taken at a Trump event. Rather, it was taken at the “The 27th annual Midwest Black Family Reunion” held in Ohio in August 2015. The event featured “music, art, chess, children’s games and other activities.”
    Last year, Trump attracted controversy when he retweeted fake statistics claiming 81% of white murder victims were murdered by blacks. The actual figure is 14%.



    UPDATE JUN 4, 2016 2:21 PM
    Speaking to BuzzFeed News, the parents in the photo -- Eddie and Vanessa Perry -- said they are not Trump supporters. They aren't endorsing or publicly supporting anyone. Eddie Perry called Trump's use of the photo "misleading" and "political propaganda."
     
  9. RP12

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    Hello *new* poster trying to make it personal... Of course he is an American.. He is also of Mexican Heritage so yes he is still "Mexican"..

    Just like i am Irish and Italian... Thanks for posting the same nonsense and 3-4 other posters ahead of you though ~
     
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    my great-grandpa immigrated from Minsk.

    does that make me Belorussian????????

    no!!! I am an American.
     
  11. Gorn Captain

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    Ask RP12 what HE is....bet he says "American"....not "Dutch-Irish-English" or whatever.
     
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    How many people refer to you as Irish or Italian, before being an American, while you are contemplating that, take one step over the border and try to call yourself anything but American. Then when you have digested that, try going to Mexico and convincing them, the judge is Mexican.
     
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    Trump is arguing that this judge is Mexican first, American second...or not at all.
     
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    Yeah. I'm not arguing that, I hate that kind of racialist attitude. I find equally hateful "nearly an all-white jury" to undercut the validity of their findings, or the jerrymandering of voting districts to make sure a person of the "right" race wins, because apparently if you are not the same color of folks you won't treat them fairly. We are steeped in this. So Trump decides, in agreement with the entire establishment of both parties the press, the left and pundits that since 85% of the Latino's are prejudiced against Trump, that maybe all the rulings that Trump thinks are going against him when they shouldn't, are due to the fact that this Judge is Mexican and we are constantly assured Mexican's don't like Trump.

    And I'm supposed to react in horror? I'm equally disgusted, but I'm not surprised, its a valid conclusion from the premises the Left-Establishment-Managerial Class-Press have all set.

    The problem is in the premises.

    Seriously, you can't see that?

    Where did you think this was going? All Trump is, is a nationally prominent person to finally get there in a vocal fashion.

    So to clarify:

    I don't agree with his conclusion, but I do see that his conclusion flows naturally from the incorrect premises deeply set by the Left, The Establishment, The Press and Academia.
     
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    Logic fails to impress a cultist...or a racist.
     
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    Are you under the delusion that you are arguing a case in a court of law? In our system of justice, which is largely retributive rather than restitutive, we have standards of certainty to reduce the risk of imposing penalties on the innocent.

    We are not in a court of law. We are no imposing penalties. This is a discussion. So quit pretending otherwise.

    You are assuming that Trump looked at the guy and decided he didn't like him because he was a Mexican. That too assumes facts not in evidence.

    I think Trump was unhappy with his rulings and started wondering, "why is this guy so unfair to me?" And then is his search for an answer to rulings he was unhappy with, decided in accordance with what we are constantly assured, that Mexican's don't like Trump.

    Had Trump been getting the rulings he wanted, he would have had no problems with his race. So, I think Trump's problems with this guy are his rulings not his race.

    But, I'm not a mind-reader, nor am I interested in translating Trump-speak into English. He is a big boy, he can speak for himself.
     
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    When more of the people that hold that view begin running for President, it'll be relevant to this discussion.
     
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    Great point, that is something to look forward to. I bet we will see that and when we do, I need to take the time to note it and appreciate it. San Jose was a shock for me. I saw perfectly innocent people openly attacked in the street and the agents of the state permitted it, and conservative "leadership" reaction was muted to openly supportive of the attacks.

    I think what we have known as the GOP is over. The Establishment of the Party needs to join the Establishment of the Left, their goals and outlooks clearly are closer to the Left than the Base of the GOP. They felt no connection to the innocent being hunted down, taken to the ground and beaten. They are closer in outlook to those doing the hunting and the police forces standing by doing little to nothing. They are fine that there were not arrests then and no arrests since. With all the video and surveillance that can be so rapidly deployed against us, no one is working to hold the attackers accountable, they were permitted to riot without repercussion because they are aligned with the forces that control the State. They felt no empathy, no sympathy, those being drug down and beaten were "others". So those of us that believe that we have the right to believe as we choose, even those that disagree with us. That we have the right to peaceably assemble, even to the hear views we disagree with, we don't have a Party. We are given the choice of Alt-Right or Hard Left, and we want a 3rd choice.

    Yes, Trump is an idiot, but even between breaths about dumb things Trump says, we can't even talk about San Jose? The GOP "leadership" has no emotional connection to the base. They are in positions of leadership, they have the trappings of leadership, but who is their base? Who are they leading?

    Really, nothing has changed since the 2014 election when the GOP "Leadership" viciously attacked the base of their own Party. I think this is heading toward divorce.

    Right now its Alt-Right or Extreme Left, we need a 3rd way for those of us that simply want the Government held to the restraints outlined in the Constitution. Free-Will, Free-Choice, Free-Markets
     
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    He, Judge Curiel, has NO TIES to La Raza.
     
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    Yes.. He does.. Or he wouldnt belong to a La Raza group....
     
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    The connection is a figment of your imagination. Did you even read their bylaws. What a farce.
     
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    Their own website with links is my imagination? Damn the desperation to defend racist idiots is deep around here!
     
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    Links AND affiliates, why not links to affiliates?
     
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    Again they are two different groups. Just because they have a link to their website does NOT mean they are affiliated groups. That is just plain ignorant. Breitbart.com has links to UPI...that must mean they are all moonies?????? What kind of ridiculous logic is that? You have proven NO CONNECTION.
     
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    None of that groveling for Tr(oll)mp explains why he would object to a Muslim judge replacing the "Mexican" judge. What decisions has this "Muslim judge" rendered that made Tr(oll)mp decide that he/she would be "biased" against him? None, of course! Just like he can't point to a single shred of evidence of bias by this "Mexican" judge either. Even his own lawyers haven't tried to have him replaced.

    It isn't the judge who is biased, it is Tr(oll)mp who is biased for no better reason than his own unjustified bigotry.
     

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