Should No Fly List Bar Weapons Purchase?

It appears the GOP Congress is against this.

Why in the hell would you want people who are too dangerous to fly be able to buy guns?

If you are on that list and shouldn't be you can petition to get off it. If you really shouldn't be there you'll be taken off.

 

Please link to the removal petition process, because.... it doesn't exist, to my knowledge.

 

it depends on why they are on the NFL, and if they can appeal in a reasonable time frame.

however, if you're too dangerous to fly, why are you safe to walk the streets?

 

Cause the 2nd amendment Trumps victims of shootings. The same was true when kids were the target, the same is true now. All that's left is the pointless back and forth every time a shooting happens. A more honest approach would be to just ignore the shootings, does the same amount of good.

 

Yes, most definately...

... if ya don't pass muster onna don't fly list...

... ya shouldn't ought to be able to buy a gun.

 

LOL, wrong.

People get put on the no-fly list for unknown reasons, and you don't know you are on the list until you are denied service. And even then all you know is your are on "a no-fly list", you don't know why you are on a list and you don't know which list you are on.

Senator Ted Kennedy found himself on the list, go to the 6:44 mark and watch, Kennedy in his own words describe his case in Senate testimony:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...FE074D1CAF8ABB756B91FE074D1CAF8AB&FORM=VRDGAR

Kennedy had to get Secretary of Homeland Security Ridge to personally intervene. It took the DHS Secretary to get a powerful Senator off the list - imagine the chance the average person has of getting their name off the list. And how did Kennedy get on the list in the first place?


And there is the fact that gun banners have always abused the law, they will use the no-fly lists - and the other lists the govt creates - as a back door gun ban.

 

Good point. An even larger point is why can you buy GUNS?

 

As noted...if you end up on the list mistakenly you can petition to be removed. If you are on it mistakenly you will be removed as Kennedy was.

The fact that for a brief period you can't buy guns is not something that we should be concerned with. Of course the NRA disagrees and they rule Congress.

Odd that gun nuts don't mind potential terrorists buying guns.

Remember...the Orlando shooter bought HIS assault weapon just weeks before this attack.

He SHOULD have been on the NFL and he SHOULDN'T have been able to buy that gun

 

You mean somebody that has been deemed to dangerous to fly WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. You have it backwards we are innocent until proven guilty.

 

The problem with the no fly list is that it is an arbitrary process, you go to a certain website or type of website, and you're put on the list. Because some pinhead in Washington, sitting behind a desk says this person should be on the no fly list...That person is not notified, probably finds out the next time they take a flight, they are not arrested, not charged with a crime, not given a trial...just because some bureaucrat says so. That's not due process, that's not innocent till proven guilty...That's BS. If they are charged, tried and convicted then I have no problem with them being barred from owning firearms.

 

So you think potential terrorists should be able to buy guns and fly unrestricted?

Amazing

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So you want to do away with thr no Fly List...because it might restrict gun purchases by potential terrorists?

 

People were on the no-fly list because they had the same name as a suspicious person. They were put on arbitrarily by untrained ticket agents in the airports for various reasons that have nothing to do with suspicious conduct. It is not particularly easy to get off the list, and you don't know you are on it until you try to fly... may be years. Most importantly, people have been placed on the list without due process.

 

Lesh, you need to talk a walk around the block or something and refocus. The last many post have tried to show you many more problems that being on the NFL would cause. One even showed you how difficult it was for a Senator to get off of the list, which means for a common person it would be near impossible. Even the ACLU believes the NFL is bad, but you seem to single mindedly ignore all of the reason and stick to the gun aspect. Yes the gun aspect is one aspect, but only one of the many issues with the NFL.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-fre...it-shouldnt-be-used-restrict-peoples-freedoms

 

Wow, you really need reading comprehension skills, I said as long as due process is followed, I have no problem with banning people from purchasing firearms...But there needs to be due process...charged, tried, convicted.

 

Of course they are. The government cannot remove fundamental rights without due process. Democrats want the government to be able to remove your rights simply because an agent of the executive branch has placed your name on a list.

http://www.fed-soc.org/blog/detail/no-fly-no-buy-and-no-due-process

That is why we have a Constitution, so that Democrats can't simply put everyone on the "watch list" and eviscerate the 2nd Amendment by royal degree.

But we probably should strip the weapons of any publicly funded security detail of any public employee that wants to strip Americans of their fundamental right to keep and carry arms.

 

Why are people too dangerous to fly allowed to stay in the country?

 

If Trump gets elected and his administration determines YOU shouldn't be able to buy guns and fly unrestricted, you're OK with that?

 

I suggest you research these government black lists. It took sentator Kennedy MONTHS to get off the list, you and I would have no chance to get off it.

There is no due process with these lists, that is why.

If the FBI has enough suspicion, strip them of their visas and deport them. They don't have a right to be in this country, they are here because we allow it.

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That little thing about "innocent until proven guilty".

 

Do you even read?

Kennedy could not get himself off the list, he had his staff member working on the problem for several weeks, and it finally took the personal intervention of Secretary of Homeland Security to pull Kennedy off the list.

The average person has no chance of removing his name from the list.

Do your research. Don't be a blind patsy for the progs.

 

The no fly list lacks due process of law. Shall I refer you to the provision of the Constitution that bars such or do you know what you did wrong?

 

Are you aware of how someone gets on the list? Hint: no conviction or even evidence enough to start a trial with is necessary. Hence they're still walking the streets because they were never found guilty in a court of law by a jury if their peers beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

Kennedy was never On that list. You seem to "know" a lot that isn't true

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/ted-kennedy-and-the-no-fly-list-myth/

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Pure BS

 

Totally agree, but we won't. The media sure won't. I'm trying to.

 

As it goes for my actual daily life currently, I think I'm getting better at it.

 

I'm working harder, eating better, I went to a nic patch today, planned a great motorcycle vacation, and nobody at the bar even mentions it (nor at work). The media, both MSM and social, can rot your brain after these tragedies.

Not to be disrespectful. Indeed, the pols and media whores have that market cornered.