Solution to guns.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Brett Nortje, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the links.

    I was talking about this because some member on another topic after I discussed the AK said they could do the same with the AR-15.

    I told them no....but obviously anything can be done if you have the parts and know how to do it.

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  2. AboveAlpha

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    OK...if you read what I posted I never stated I could convert an AK-47 to being FULLY FUNCTIONING without issues.

    I just posted that I could convert it to full auto and this was specific to what a Terrorist might try and obviously it is going to stop at some point firing at full auto....I have never denied this.

    But it can be done.

    Just like some semi auto pistols can be made to fire multiple rounds on auto as .22 ca. pistols were notorious for being able to do this.

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  3. QLB

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    You're waffling and backtracking and at the same time claiming "special knowledge" on the system when in reality you know very little. You also know very little about the AR15/M16 platform. Here's a huge hint. Those of us who do know that you don't. You didn't know squat about the firing cycle till you were told. Here's another hint. Stop digging a hole that you can't crawl out of. There's a lot of knowledge here and those of us with it can sniff the slightest amount of smoke that someone is trying to blow.
     
  4. An Taibhse

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    As I posted for the AR 15, you can get a RDIAS or Lighning Link dropin requiring, likely a bit of adjustment to the bolt cycle (there are instructions for dealing with timing issues online), but there is also a Lightning Link version for the AK, a simple drop in piece. Some of these are sold online under innocuous product names where you have to know what is being sold by the photos and the key word codes from sellers and may require one or two slight mods to fit them so sellers can try to claim they are not doing anything illegal... Wink, wink. And, I wouldn't be surprised to find the ATF at your door if you buy such a device without paying the $200 tax.

    Guns are mechanical, where there is a will and profit to be made....

    By the way, quite by accident when a fellow brought a Glock with a bit of a problem to me, I found how a simple mod could make one shoot in 2-3 round bursts...wasn't what I Would have guessed...it worked... Bit dangerous IMO, but it worked. Needless to say, he got back a safer gun. But, then I have seen people do stupid things...
     
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    Incidentally, both full auto BCGs and Semi-Auto BCG's can be interchangeably used and the FA BCG is legal to use. Strangely enough, for the RDIAS or a Lightning Link to work, a semi BCG is required.
     
  6. QLB

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    With the lightning link you need a SP-1 variant to work. It will default to full auto and cannot be switched to semi. I don't think there are any out there for sale unless they're registered. Even finding an SP-1 can be difficult or you can try to build a retro rifle, also difficult. I've heard timing on the lightning link is also a problem. Frankly I've never seen one and I doubt many of them were ever made, though I don't know the true production numbers.
     
  7. An Taibhse

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    You are correct, you need an SP-1 for the LL. I see them at gun shows in parts bins. Years ago, LL's were out there and being sold as a 'legal' device, as were RDIAS's. ATF ruled on the RDIAS's first, requiring them to be registered and you can still acquire them if you pay your tax.

    LL's pop up now and then if you pay attention and know what you are looking at. I saw a few being sold a few years ago in a 90% outline cut flat piece of steel requiring finishing the cuts and making the requisite bend. While I haven't seen one in a couple or more years, I have seen printable templates that can be used to make one from something like an old saw blade.

    They were popular for a bit because they took seconds to install or remove. And, while you can't switch to semi mode in the one I had a chance to shoot a number of years ago, you could get the feel to fire in short bursts.

    Personally, I have always preferred controlled fire and if suppression was needed I can pull a trigger pretty fast...
     
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    Yeah.....the Glocks and other semi auto handguns can easily be modified to fire short multi-round bursts.

    I had a .22 years ago and I got it to fire 3 round bursts.

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    What the hell are you talking about?

    YOU yourself admitted it can be done!!!

    That is all I ever stated.

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  9. JakeJ

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    And if they outlawed narcotics no one would have narcotics and there would be no narcotics deaths.
    If they outlawed alcohol there would be no alcohol related deaths or violence.
    If they outlawed murder there would be no murder.

    Another OP of someone living in fantasy land who believes that criminals obey laws, which is an absurd premise by definition.

    If guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. We know this from France.

    Guns are illegal for people to have in Mexico. If he's a white guy, why doesn't he get in his car with USA plates and drive to Mexico city on back roads. See how that works out for him. After all, he would be perfectly safe, right?
     
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    Rapist to "merely have sex" with the victim?

    That is a sadist, pro-rapist rights message, totally condemnable as you sob at the prospect of a rapist being harmed to stop him.

    Rapists should be killed. Ideally shot to death before succeeding. Shot down like shooting down a rabid dog - and there is reason to pity the dog, while reason to cheer gunning down a rapist. I'd prefer rapists be beaten to death, but shooting them to death is an acceptable compromise.

    It isn't only females who are raped. So, just in case, take condoms with you as you drive the back roads of gun-free Mexico.
     
  11. JakeJ

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    The stats about Australia presented by anti-gunners is always a lie.

    1. They have the absurd position that murder is just a-ok, as long as a gun isn't used.

    2. Murders by gun increased dramatically when guns were banned to decent people.

    3. In a panic response, Australia RADICALLY increased the number of police which then did take crime back down to pre-ban levels - then lying and claiming adding armies of more police had nothing to do with it.

    Hire 10,000,000 more police in the USA and crime would go down in the USA too. But, most anti-gunners also hate the police too.
     
  12. QLB

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    Then tell us how a Glock can be easily modified. Your BS keeps getting weaker and weaker. You're caught in a lie and another lie is not going to help you. Everyone here knows it as well.

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    Then tell us how a Glock can be easily modified. Your BS keeps getting weaker and weaker. You're caught in a lie and another lie is not going to help you. Everyone here knows it as well. I'm just curious about how you would modify a striker fired mechanism. You're way out of your league here.
     
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    It can be done, a slight bit of filing on the trigger connector bar, but it is about as safe and worthwhile as filing the sear on an AK 47. How do I know? Because I have fixed Glock that began doing double/triple taps because of wear on a specific location that I will leave unnamed. It is IMHO, a very unsafe thing, particularly for someone when the condition first appears and they aren't ready for it...I once saw a fellow put one shot down range, two shots in the ceiling before dropping the gun and it firing one more round. Luckily no one was hit. Scared the s**t out of everyone nearby, including me.
     
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    By the way, in the last 15 years, I have seen this happen three times. I have also read of others experiencing the same. It seems to happen more often than you might think. There is one condition, having to do with a weak trigger spring that can also result in double taps that I have seen reported. As for the wear on the trigger connector causing this condition, I have yet to figure a what causes the wear. One gun, the one I mentioned above had probably 20k rounds through it so I could understand the wear. Two were Gen 3's and one a Gen 2. One gun had an unknown number because the owner acquired it second hand so there could have been more round through it than he figured, but one I fixed probably had no more than 4-5k rounds. One of my Glocks had 25-30K through it with no appreciable wear visible to the eye. The other has an after market trigger group and after 8-10k, again no visible wear.

    I have seen and heard about a number people looking to 'file' or modify parts to create full auto guns. It's illegal when done intentionally, but more to the point, creates an unsafe and potentially unpredictable weapon. With practice, it is not difficult to shoot any semi anything with speed and controlled accuracy, including rapid double and triple taps, engaging multiple targets. The only reason I have seen for anything full auto would be for fire suppression or just Hollywood imitation fun, but then the intent isn't as much for accuracy. And, a semi can lay down suppressive fire as effectively IMO.

    With most guns that can shoot full auto, it can take a bit of training to effectively control any level of accuracy, as much training as learning rapid semi auto controlled fire, but even then, full auto over rapid semi controlled fire will expend more rounds faster on fewer targets than rapid aimed fire.
     
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    Ok...I made a mistake in posting as I should have stated as I replied to another member concerning the Glock that I was aware of the problems the Glock 17 was having as some inexplicably start firing 3 round bursts and I made a mistake and should have not posted that I could modify them to do so as that is incorrect and I used to have a .22 handgun that would do the same.

    Here is a LINK as far as the Glock....LINK....http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/3-round-burst.132465/

    Now I have NEVER stated I am a gunsmith so I am sure there are members here that are much more knowledgeable about such things then I.....but WHAT I DID STATE....and it is true and YOU YOURSELF have admitted it can be done....is that with a file and a few tools I can make an AK-47 semi auto. fire on Auto.

    This is a FACT.....and that is the extent of what I posted.

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    Good luck hiring more police, a lot of them are changing careers due to the constant threat of jail for doing their jobs.

    In England, they can't talk their police forces into carrying guns, because they're afraid of what will happen to them if they do.
     
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    There is the worry that if police officers are seen carrying firearms, criminals will acquire and carry firearms in response. In essence they are saying that their firearm laws are only effective so long as the criminals do not feel motivated towards breaking them.
     
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    Wrong, you stated special knowledge. For you that is something you saw over the internet. Huge difference from knowing what you're doing.
     
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    I said that I knew how to use a file and a few other tools to modify an AK-47 to fire full auto.

    THAT is what I said.....and if you want to call that special knowledge then sure it is.

    But what I stated is a FACT.

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    Wrong. What you're doing is a waffle and a walk back. Everyone knows it too. Stop digging your hole.
     
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    Whatcha gonna do:When that big Bear is charging at you.
    Without a gun
    How about a snake striking at you?
    Coyote?
    Wild Boar?
    Muslim terrorist?
    Robber?
    Burglar?
    There's a need for people to have guns.
    Australia is truly messed up.
    America is doing good and will do better.
     
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    Agreed. A lot of the posters who post anti-rights propaganda are just America haters. They hate us, they hate our rights and our freedoms. That's what I think anyhow.
     
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    :roflol:

    Believe whatever fairy tales are floating around in hoplophilia land the truth is firearms did not affect the crime rate much because that is not what was being measured :roll:
     
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    Why would I hate your "freedoms" we have more freedom than you do in any case.

    We have the freedom of speech (which your NRA has threatened)
    We have the freedom NOT to have to vote for Donald Trump :D
    We have the freedom to fart in an elevator if we so wish

    And most importantly we have a freedom from mass shootings
     
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    Bear - I will concede is problematic as are dogs but usually most things dislike anything being thrown at them - which is why we developed opposable thumbs

    But honestly how often do you encounter charging bears in downtown anywhere?

    Mind you - not an issue here if the bear charges you give him a gum leaf :)

    But SNAKES???? C'mon please live on the same planet

    Snakes do not WANT to bite anything they cannot swallow because venom is a pre-digestive so unless you annoy the snake he will not bite

    As for the rest

    A muslim terrorists - really????

    So here is this terrorist with 29 kg of dynamite strapped to his chest driving a truck at you and you have...............

    As for the burglar - most of the time they just want your TV. Is someone's life worth a second hand TV?
     

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