Seems Massachusetts cant wait.

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  1. CRUE CAB

    CRUE CAB New Member

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    The AG there is pushing hard for a ban on all semi auto rifles. Starting NOW.
     
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    And what about total auto rifles?
     
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    Not allowed in Taxachusettes
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Mass one of the Californias of the East.

    Not withstanding that the her directive (and that is what it is) is not capriciously vague and deliberately is descretionary violation of Heller vs DC for that it also is a direct violation of flagrant violation of D.C. v Heller’s explicit “common use” standard if it were applied to possession, but it only applies to sales and therefore is questionable. It will be interesting to see if the people and legislature let it stand. Interesting since there were no murders with rifles last year in Mass. At some point there will likely be a legal challenge.

    Since the ban is on the sale of 'rifles' I can see an expanding market for lowers amid all the other parts kits and can hear the whirl of 3-D printers...
     
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    Those will be banned as well. Massachusetts has a state law similar to the Clinton "assault weapons" ban including a grandfather clause. The revision expands the ban to "copies or duplicates" of anything that can possibly fit on or duplicate an "assault weapon".

    From the MA notice:

    1. Similarity Test: A weapon is a Copy or Duplicate if its internal functional components are substantially similar in construction and configuration to those of an Enumerated Weapon. Under this test, a weapon is a Copy or Duplicate, for example, if the operating system and firing mechanism of the weapon are based on or otherwise substantially similar to one of the Enumerated Weapons.

    2.Interchangeability Test: A weapon is a Copy or Duplicate if it has a receiver that is the same as or interchangeable with the receiver of an Enumerated Weapon. A receiver will be treated as the same as or interchangeable with the receiver on an Enumerated Weapon if it includes or accepts two or more operating components that are the same as or interchangeable with those of an Enumerated Weapon. Such operating components may include, but are not limited to: 1) the trigger assembly; 2) the bolt carrier or bolt carrier group; 3) the charging handle; 4) the extractor or extractor assembly; or 5) the magazine port.

    If a weapon meets one of the above tests, it is a Copy or Duplicate (and therefore a prohibited Assault weapon), even if it is marketed as “state compliant” or “Massachusetts compliant.”​

    That covers a huge range of rifles, going far beyond what the banners normally call "assault weapons".

    Given banners propensity to grossly exaggerate, the similarity test will undoubtedly be used to over time ban all semi-auto center fire rifles.


    And given Connecticut and New York gun owners massive refusal to comply, I expect Massachusetts to face a similar refusal to obey.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    The ban is for sale of guns, not possession, not parts and not assessories. A lower is not a rifle. Building your own is not buying or selling a rifle.

    And of course, no one knows how many exist in Mass...

    Gun manufactures and gun rights groups will likely launch an immediate legal challenge....
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that twit wants to ban carbines that our own government sold to our citizens by the hundreds of thousands.
     
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    Actually the lower is considered the rifle. The feds consider it the finished product. The real problem here will be what will a so called 80% be termed.
     
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    You have to ask yourself..... since there are virtually no problems regarding these rifles in Massachusetts, what is there real agenda?
     
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    This means MA wants to ban bolt-and pump-action rifles.
     
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    All rifles (Semi-auto, single shot, bolt-action, lever action, pump) are responsible for less than 2% of all murders (2014 data). Many more people are clubbed to death than killed by rifles. Just a stupid knee jerk reaction.
     
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    Aren't guns manufactured in MA?
    I could swear guns are made in MA.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Pretty obvious to me
     
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    Yes, it's odd ... like for Tennessee, where there is a well famous producer of whiskey, but to sell alcohol is prohibited [Tennessee is a dry country, you know].

    Ops. You say "dry state".
     
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    The AR lower has the S/N. That's the "gun".
     
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    You are incorrect. The lower receiver of the AR-15 is registered as the firearm. It is the part that requires a federally licensed firearms dealer for transfer, and it is the only component with a serial number.
     
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    Giggle, so BATFE has been wrong as well as the Manufacturers, putting those serial numbers in the wrong place, the lower receiver, I wonder how they could make such a Beef mis-steak ?? :roflol:

    One notable exception, Ruger MK pistols have serial numbers on the receiver tube.
     
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    actually the receiver (which is part of the lower) is the serialized part that requires the paperwork to buy. I know, I have several Anderson receivers and each of these 55 dollar parts required the paperwork. The entire upper part of the rifle does not
     
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    even with this extreme enforcement of the AWB, many semi-autos are still legal.
     
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    tell us how a magazine fed semi auto rifle would be legal under that twit's interpretation?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if it doesn't mimic the mechanics & design of any specifically banned AWs
     
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    That would include just about every semi auto firearm out there. Unless you are speaking of the true assault rifles which are fully automatic.
     

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