"Don't you Arabs sleep with goats?"

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  1. Margot2

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    The article is long and IMO has too many details to be discounted. I think this is an example of being UN-PC and just how stupid men can be.


    ‘Don’t you Arabs sleep with goats?’: Records show Orlando shooter’s harassment by fellow cops

    The ongoing intrigue surrounding Omar Mateen and his massacre of 47 patrons of the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida was drowned out by the political circus of two party conventions this month. The personal details about Mateen, from his vicious abuse of his first wife to credible accounts of a secret gay life to the reports of his mental instability and the autopsy results confirming him as a heavy abuser of steroids, have been forgotten or apparently suppressed by the FBI.

    Taken together, these elements of Mateen’s person profile directly contradicted the popular portrayal of the mass killer as an Islamic extremist acting in the name of ISIS. Unsurprisingly, they have fallen down the Orwellian memory hole.

    As the facts that could have interrupted the official narrative fell by the wayside, Congress and state legislatures exploited the tragedy to push for an expansion of undemocratic databases of “terror” suspects and the discriminatory no-fly list.

    As Sarah Lazare reported for AlterNet, police departments across the country have been leveraging the attack to lobby for expanded arsenals of military gear. At both Republican and Democratic conventions, Orlando has been invoked to summon fears of Islamic extremism at home and to gin up support for military action abroad. Meanwhile, new information continued to surface that complicated the simplistic war on terror narrative even further.

    On July 18, the St. Lucie County Sheriff’s Department where Mateen once interned and which later oversaw his security clearance as a private security guard working at the county courthouse released a series of records detailing its interactions with Mateen. Publicized over a month after the Orlando massacre and while Republicans were gathering for their national convention, the documents were buried by the national media, receiving only scant coverage and generating negligible public discussion.

    Yet they revealed explosive new details about the killer that may shed light on his motives and further expose the destructive culture of racism infecting police departments across the country.

    The documents feature complaints Mateen filed with the St. Lucie County Sheriff’s Department in which he recounted vicious and sustained racial harassment by deputies serving at the courthouse where he worked.


    Here are just a few of the incidents Mateen alleged:

    •Mateen said a sheriff’s deputy named John Roleau taunted him, asking, “Don’t you Arabs sleep with goats?” Mateen was of Afghan descent, not an Arab, and he was born in the United States.
    •Robert MacNamara, a deputy and Gulf War veteran said to have a reputation for right-wing views, praised former Republican Rep. Alan West for his anti-Arab posturing, according to Mateen, and declared, “we need to kill all the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Muslims.”

    In another instance, Mateen claimed MacNamara would stand behind him outside the courthouse and “clip and unclip” his gun holster to menace him.

    •Mateen stated that someone put Rep. Alan West campaign stickers on his car and deflated his front two tires while he was parked at the courthouse.

    •Deputy Rusty Wright allegedly met Mateen in a courthouse hallway, pointed at a dirty mat on the floor and said, “Isn’t it your prayer time? Take your magic carpet and pray to your Allah and make sure it’s in the east.”

    •Several deputies badgered Mateen with questions about Muslim infiltration of American society and taunted him with accusations about the Islamophobic concept of creeping Shariah. “I did economics investigations for a few years and Italian mobs get caught and drug cartels get caught, but you Muslim Arabs are sneaky and know how to do it without getting into trouble. You guys do a lot of Western Union,” Sgt. Jeff Buchanan said, according to Mateen.

    •Deputy Bobby Dimarco casually referred to Mateen as “Aladdin” over the police radio, Mateen said. “You guys had your Arab spring, now it’s time for our redneck spring,” said another deputy, Michael Robinson, according to Mateen. Mateen said other deputies mocked him as a backward primitive, spoke openly about slaughtering Muslims, offered him bacon, and relentlessly taunted him about praying while on lunch break.

    •Mateen claimed his colleague from the private security firm G4S, Lt. David Torres, was one of his main antagonists, urging the sheriff’s deputies to view him with suspicion and once remarked, “Muslims are similar to Jews…they rape the system and monopolize.” Another G4S employee, Hunter Dennis, said, “Omar, you look like a Haji I killed in Iraq,” Mateen said. “Omar, I had rifle training in the military and I can shoot up to 200 yards away,” Torres declared, according to Mateen. “And if I hear you say, ‘Allahu Akbar,” I will shoot you in the head.”

    •Mateen complained: “After every terrorist event that would occur on the news, I would get confronted by Deputies throughout the day [asking what I............

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    https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/do...w-orlando-shooters-harassment-by-fellow-cops/
     
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    Ah yes lets have a pity party for a mass murderer.
     
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    Is that where you are going with this story?

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    “And if I hear you say, ‘Allahu Akbar,” I will shoot you in the head.”

    •Mateen complained: “After every terrorist event that would occur on the news, I would get confronted by Deputies throughout the day [asking what I thought] about it and if I knew more about it. From the time I would come in until the time I would leave.”

    As the storm of alleged racial harassment intensified, Mateen erupted at the deputies and his co-workers, triggering an interview by the FBI. According to notes by Michael Hogsten, the deputy general counsel for G4S, Mateen admitted that he had made outrageous claims of loyalty to Islamic extremist groups to get the deputies off his back: “After Boston bombing occurred—everyone got really nasty—I said—know what I’m related to Boston bomber is my first cousin and matter of [fact]—related to ft hood [sic] shooter—I know Kenya mall shooters—said so they would leave me alone.”


    Judicial Watch, the right-wing outfit that obtained the police documents on Mateen through a Freedom of Information request, cited Mateen’s obviously absurd claims of a relationship to the Boston bombers as evidence that the FBI “blew it.” However, Judicial Watch omitted from its press release any reference to the extensive documentation of racial harassment Mateen allegedly endured at the hands of sheriff’s deputies, thus obscuring the context in which his claims occurred.

    After his interview with FBI agents, who described Mateen as polite and cooperative, Mateen pleaded for understanding and respect. “I love the United States,” he wrote. “The boasting [of terrorist ties] I did it just to satisfy the gang of coworkers who ganged up against me. There is no fact to it. I’m 1000% American. I’m ready to give up my life defending the United States.”






    Mateen continued: “Again I want to emphasize that I’m a honest American and that I’m 1000% anti terrorist organizations and their ideas. That’s why I chose to have a future in Law Enforcement. Maybe to become a ATF, Customs or FBI agent.”

    On Oct. 2, 2013, Mateen was removed from his job as a private security guard at St. Lucie County courthouse, shattering his hopes of becoming a real cop like those who had bullied him for so long. In an email, Lt. Troy Church of G4S justified Mateen’s termination on the basis of his “aggressive posturing, raising his voice, and seeming attempting to incite his co-worker.”

    It may be that Mateen’s former co-workers were right to view him with suspicion. Or perhaps he was lying or exaggerating about their racism. If so, he would have needed an unusually active imagination to conjure up such detailed accounts of their anti-Muslim behavior.

    Islamophobic workplace harassment has factored into at least two other mass shootings popularly chalked up as terror attacks.

    In the days leading up to the San Bernadino mass killing, the shooter, Syed Farook, was repeatedly confronted by a right-wing evangelical co-worker, Nicholas Thalasinos, who reportedly berated him about the inherent violence of Islam and preached to him the righteousness of Israel’s cause. “Thalasinos was also a hate filled bigot,” wrote New York Daily News columnist Linda Stasi, pointing to his Facebook posts trashing feminists and liberals, calling for Muslims to be exterminated and proposing that far-right pundit Ann Coulter be appointed head of the Department of Homeland Security. When Farook opened fire on his co-workers, Thalasinos was among those he targeted.

    The story of Ft. Hood shooter, Army Major Nidal Hassan, is also filled with reports of workplace harassment. Hassan had hired a lawyer to get him a discharge or exemption from deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan, two wars he fervently opposed. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican who now heads the House Homeland Security Committee, described Hassan as “disgruntled in the mission in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    According to Hassan’s family members, he was constantly harassed by army colleagues, who called him a “camel jockey” and menaced him with anti-Arab insults.

    The Army’s refusal to answer Hassan’s request for a discharge was the most plausible motive for his shooting spree, yet the Arab-American soldier was ultimately painted in mainstream media and by militaristic members of Congress as a fanatical terrorist burrowing from within America’s most revered institution.

    As with Hassan, Mateen’s descriptions of racial harassment at the hands of his co-workers threaten to complicate the politically convenient narrative of “lone wolf” jihadism. To the extent that Mateen’s testimony is true, it sheds new light on the culture of racism at the heart of many law enforcement organizations and illuminates the destructive impact of Islamophobia. Perhaps that’s why the documents detailing his complaints have been so thoroughly underplayed since their release, if not ignored altogether.

    “I learned if I boast of the terrorist events they would get the satisfaction and they would leave me alone in the courthouse,” Mateen said of his police co-workers back in 2013. Three years later, he acted out a version of those events, realizing the cartoonish stereotype he claimed the deputies made of him.

    Asked by the Orlando Sentinel if it had investigated its personnel over Mateen’s complaints, the St. Lucie County Sheriff’s Office did not respond.

    Max Blumenthal is a senior editor of the Grayzone Project at AlterNet, and the award-winning author of Goliath and Republican Gomorrah.
     
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    Yep... Its guy talk at work.... Hear it all the time and strangely enough i havent shot anyone imagine that ~
     
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    Margot2, do like most conservatives: Ignore racism and somehow it will go away.

    I couldn't care less for the killer. However, and that's a point I have been hammering on, what you post is an indication about what I call "cop culture".

    These guys and gals are paid - and paid well - to enforce society's laws, not their own. If they can't do that, let them find themselves a "job" as mafia or biker goons.
     
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    Perhaps Mateen wasn't as "Western" as yourself. Among Muslims teasing is considered a bad thing.

    On the other hand, American parents are opposed to cyber bullying because of the damage it does to children.
     
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    So Mateen was a poor child then?

    Ah yes poor Muslims offended by teasing, and freedom of religion, womens rights, gays etc etc... Lets feel sorry for Mateen because he was "teased"...:roll:
     
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    Do you approve of bullying? Do you think there is any upside to bullying or is this just an example of getting away from "political correctness"?

    Taking pride in being rude or indecent is not a good character trait.. Civil communication and good manners go a long way.
     
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    I've worked in Factories trust me you have no idea what co-workers say to each other to vent/blow of steam.

    All this for a pity party instead of discussing Radical Islam sorry i am not going to fall for it.
     
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    If I heard "Allahu Akbar" I'd shoot you in the head, too. What usually follows those words is a mass murder by a Muslim terrorist. Spare me the theology lesson, sister. I don't care what the Koran says about it or why Muslims may otherwise ceremoniously or prayerfully use the phrase.

    What is not found in this report are any comments made in the workplace by the Muslim terrorists that may have triggered retaliation. If his views were known, he should've been tormented, bullied, harassed, whatever. He probably should've gotten his butt kicked for his hateful, Muslim extremist mouth. Instead he got an Alan West bumper sticker on his car. Boo hoo.
     
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    Allen West is a Republican.
     
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    "Ahhh, damn... Dey used icky words at me. Me so hurt. Me go shoot gays now" ...... Yeah, that crap makes perfect sense. You should build him a memorial, with a statue and all.....
     
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    If you thought you could save 47 lives by not bullying someone would you forgo that pleasure?
     
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    Then it sucks to be a Muslim, doesn't it? Human behavior is what it is and even though this guy was born in America it's obvious, if he was taught that teasing was a bad thing, that his parents didn't assimilate themselves or their kid into American culture. On the flip side, he was American enough to want to hang out in gay bars.
     
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    And born losers protected by political correctness go where exactly ?
     
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    Yes, he was a US citizen.. Did he deserve to be called a "goat f*cker) by his fellow employees?
     
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    Dylann Roof was picked on by black kids. Does that justify his actions ?
    You libs just open yourselves up don't you.
     
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    Aw geeesus.........."Muslims consider teasing a bad thing"....but they don't speak up and condemn suicide bombers, terrorists, the stoning of women, etc etc etc...... Go figure!

    And yes, American parents consider bullying, cyber and/jor in person, to be harmful to children.....so you consider Mateen to be a child?
     
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    Did all those people he shot down in cold blood, who had absolutely NOTHING to do w/name calling deserve to die?

    If that had been your son or daughter who was murdered by someone b/c the killer was called names by others - would you ok w/that?
     
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    Let's take motivation and just throw it in the garbage can. When people are mass murdered let's just repeat: "These things happen."

    - - - Updated - - -

    His actions right or wrong are still motivated by other people's actions. You can't throw motivation out the window.
     
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    All the Right-wingers in here saying Mateen's reasons for murdering people don't matter.

    Well then you just proved there's no such thing as Islamic Terrorism. Because you don't believe motivations matter!

    BWAHAHHAHHAAHAHHA.
     
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    "His actions, right or wrong...." so you're giving the mass murderer of 47 people who had never harmed him the benefit of a doubt.....wow.

    And if that had been YOUR son or daughter among the murdered, you'd be ok w/his 'motivation' to kill innocent people?
     
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    I have a hard time with killing of any sort ... save self defense ... so I tend to think all murderers are crazy..

    However, the teasing he was subjected to was very cruel IMO.. and it seems to be all the rage these days with everyone defending being unPC.
     
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    Based on the article it would have been more understandable if he had taken his rage out on his tormentors instead of unknown people out on the town. I'm sure that the people he killed would have wished that he had done so instead of shooting them.
     
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    I don't think anyone's saying that motivations don't matter as much as they're saying these things discussed weren't necessarily his motivations.

    And even if they were his response to them was utterly insane, so once we admit him insane that way then you're begging the question of did these incidents really happen, either the way he said or even happen at all

    Finally, I think we're missing the important thing here, which is that this guy was not really one of any group even slightly likely to become a terrorist, yet he became one BECAUSE HE WAS BAT(*)(*)(*)(*) BONKERS. And THAT is truly frightening, think of all the crazies you know; now think of all the insane ideologies that are around

    Is crazy Uncle Phil going to take up sniping at the mall instead of posting emails about the Lizard men on Saturday?
     

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