Jesus Christ is no myth part II

Christianity stop the persecution of science and learning by building great research centers, universities, colleges and most of all providing sanctuaries to scientist. Thanks to the church modern civilization as we know it today advance that comes with the evolution of atheism.

 

When common man needs to document what they see, it makes it pretty difficult to keep track of history, if you aren't allowing them too. Most of the false Relics and fairytales popped up on a scene when the only people writing history were in the corrupt church.

 

When deniers kept on destroying and burning relics, records and killing eye witnesses in order to promote their false man made history, mythologies, witchcraft, voodooism, sorcery, tyranny, communism that is where and when the church step in keeping selflessly putting themselves at risk to keep all all the records and what is remain of evidences safe from being destroyed. If not for the church Galileo's rivals would have successfully persecuted him and his studies destroyed.

 

There is some truth to that as well.

 

The Bible and Jesus by not speaking out against its practice supported slavery the very institution we had a blood soaked civil war to end so how moral was Jesus really? As for did he exist perhaps but then you need to prove he was more than a man so good luck.

 

I had an opinion on the link you posted. That's really what I was talking about in the first place.

You never addressed the last post I did concerning the WW2 plane.

 

Oh, that's just too funny. Answer me this. Where did the laws of quantum behavior come from. And a quantum flux is not nothing. And where did the energy come from. Any other half baked theories? I could do this all day.

 

Don't need your silly book. I have the Bible. A book that was written by about forty different authors, from all stations in life, over a period of about 1,200 years. And all of those authors tell the same story, without contradicting each other. Pretty amazing, when you think about it. Then there is Biblical Prophecy. Two thirds of the Bible is Prophecy. Not one prophecy has been proven to be untrue. If that is not evidence of Divine authorship, what is?

 

The attributes of God? You don't even know what god is. You can't describe him. You know nothing about him but that which is written by men. So how can you know his attributes?

You're right. I never really knew god. I only knew what the Bible told me, preachers told me and the Church told me. And that's all you know. Everything you have experienced is based on that. You have never seen God.

In studying the Bible and all that goes with it, the backgound on which it was written, the culture, history and religion of the time it became obvious that the Bible was not what I thought. God's word.
It starts with the Hebrew version of ancient creation stories and Noahs Ark. An impossible worldwide flood to destroy all humanity. Ancient History shows the Biblical story of Abraham, Moses, the Exodus of 2,500,000 Hebrews from Egypt did not happen. Stories made up circa the Babylonian Exile.Many facts given in the Bible are simply exagerrations and actually impossible if you know the history of the time.
You can read the Bible as much as you wish, but understanding it is another thing. You need to understand the ancient world to understand the real Bible. You need to understand the Tanakh. Apart from the Rabbi Jesus using its scriptures to his JEWISH disciples, the Tanakh/OT has no reference to Jesus anywhere.

 

Biblical prophecy? considering it is interpreted by different peoples/sects/churches in different ways, who knows if it has been fulfilled. For instance the prophecy supposedly about Jesus in the OT actually refers to the Nation of Israel. God clearly declares that in Isaiah when he calls Israel his servant several times, and refers to that servant as the suffering servant. Not , of course, to Christianity which has wrongly taken it to make the Rabbi Jesus their Messiah.

 

I've decided you are not worth the time. Brainwashed YECs are boring.

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Here is an example of how willful ignorance is maintained.

 

Yes. You are a very good example.

 

Slavery is man made. God instructed Moses to free the slaves from Egyptian bondage and the Pharaoh was punished for refusing to free the slaves.
Civil wars are man made. It would be Christians not atheist that would fight to free and abolished slavery, atheist under communism will continue on with their enslavement of their people. There is only Heaven and Hell no slaves, no rich man, no freeman, no beautiful man or woman everything is equal.

Jesus: My Kingdom is not of his world.
“love your neighbor as yourself,” or “do to others what you would have them do to you“

And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul?"

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus teachings would set the wheel for freedom.
It is no doubt that Jesus was no ordinary man he was God because no man could have done what he did especially suffer the torture and execution but most of all his Resurrection the Resurrection that would led to the spread of Christianity without the Resurrection there will be no God no Christianity and all the detractors be it anti God, anti Jesus or atheist all have failed to disprove the Resurrection.

 

A theory that lacks can not be substantiated in factual evidences in fact Ancient Astronaut Theorist have more basis than the Quantum Fluctuation Theory at the same time both are theories while the Bible is based on historical factual events.

 

Nutty Moses told people how to get slaves. The guy is a rotten role model.

Leviticus 25:44-45 (CEV) =" 44 If you want slaves, buy them from other nations 45 or from the foreigners who live in your own country, and make them your property."

 

What nobody has ever been able to explain to me is why i should lower my standards to that of god and Christianity.

My mum had strong faith but it all just seemed a little far fetched to me so i grew up an atheist.

Explain to me why i should lower my standards on how people should be treated just to become a christian?

Do not forget the MASSIVE differences in both god and jesus depending on where you live.

Why for example is there such a huge difference between the US and UK versions of god and Jesus - any ideas?

 

It tickles me when Jesus said to the snooty priests "You're full of filth...offspring of snakes...prostitutes are better than you!", so I kinda like him..
As for being an atheist, maybe you and your chums still fit into God's plan somewhere like this atheist dood-



Jeremiah ch 1- "The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations"
“Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”
But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you”

 

Buy them not take or steal them nor did it say treat them unjustly.
Atheism which is a 19th century man made concept that openly enslaved people by force.

 

You don't need to lower your standard to see and believe in God or be a Christian. Your standard will be uplifted beyond just for yourself with hope, comfort, better life and faith to the oppressed, the hungry, the poor, the less fortunate to make this world a better place not just through our own efforts or for our selves.

Steve Jobbs was a Buddhist or religious man it was his religious Buddhism that many say inspired him to be able to achieve what he did as an innovator, visionary and inventor. He did not spend his life in disproving the existence of God.

"I'm about fifty-fifty on
believing in God," he said. "For most of my life,Ive felt that there must
be more to our existence than meets the eye."

He admitted that, as he faced death, he might be overestimating the odds out of a desire to believe in an afterlife. "I like to think that something survives after you die," he said. "It's strange to think that you accumulate all this experience, and maybe a little wisdom, and it just goes away. So I really want to believe that something survives, that maybe your consciousness endures."

God and Jesus is One no difference it is the people that are making the distinctions.
Both in the US and UK believe Jesus is the Son of God the only difference is the organizational politics, in the UK through King Henry the VIII the monarchy became the seat of God in other words the monarchy is the representative of God not the church. In the USA it was about individualism everyone and anyone can and is the head of their own church that is why in the US there are so many Christian pastors all operating their own churches independent from any central authority making and spreading their own interpretation of the Bible.

 

They have no idea beyond the indoctrination of Church teaching. All we have in the Gospels is probably 3 months out of the life of a many who died at 33. And that is all Christian orientated. Nothing about Jesus, the Jewish boy. Nothing about him following Jewish customs taught by his father, going to Jerusalem every year with Joseph as soon as he was old enough. Mary would also go unless she was pregnant, weaning a child or ill. Did Joseph go on the other days required by Judaism, like Pentecost, and take Jesus with him?. Remember Acts 2. We know he followed Jewish law in his Mitzvah. Then he disappears again for 18 years.
His proven knowledge and understanding at the age of 12/13 leads me to believe he was taken under the wing of a Jewish teacher/Rabbi. This was known to be done to 'scholars' who had proved their capabilities in their education in the Torah from the age of 5 - 12/13. Yes, they were educated to read and write.

Then Jesus appears when, as the Jews believed at the time, he was in his prime.

You cannot tell me that no-one knew of Jesus early life. The disciples were with him 3 years, they knew his parents and family. But all this Jewishness is ignored.

Jesus was a Jewish preacher who saw the error of the religious leaders ways, told them so. The people listened with attentive ears. The leaders 'disposed' of him. If you know Judaism and Roman ways even the arrest, trial and crucifixion of the teacher makes no sense as recorded.

All we actually know about Jesus from the Gospels and is orientated towards a Christian Messiah. Despite the fact that he claimed to have come to his own people, virtually ignored the Gentiles, delivered his teaching based on OT stories and parables which his own people mostly understood. Putting aside Christian orientation Jesus comes across as a Jewish teacher seeking to restore Israel to Jahweh. Even stories like Jesus temptation is based on Jewish belief. HaSatan was an angel given the task of testing man's faith in Jahweh. That's what happened with Job. He passed the test, as did Jesus the Jew. So much is based on Jewish teaching and then added to by the Gospel writers.

 

Atheism.

The fool hath said in his heart 'there is no god'. Written around 3000 years ago if the Bible is to be believed. Mmm.

 

The Southern Baptists were atheists?

 

but which version of god and Jesus? Our version is nothing like Americas version of god. I don't really care if god exists, although i'm pretty sure he doesn't. What i want to know is whose version is closest?

 

Not sure I follow you mate. I mean, God is God!
Same with Elvis, there's only one Elvis and he's the same everywhere, right Elv?

"Uh-huh"

 

The SBC just like the atheist were strated and created by man exploiting and using Jesus Christ for their own social and political agenda just like Islam they set up their own interpretation of the Bible and creating their own Christian-heretical domination or in atheist case interpretation of the no Bible. It is a continuation started by early heretics of the 2nd century separating themselves from the Apostolic Church.

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There is only One God One Jesus just like there is only one you.