MH-17, or Russia in a lie

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  1. Alik Bahshi

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    MH-17, or Russia in a lie

    So, after a two-year investigation of the Netherlands published an interim report of an international group of experts about the cause of the crash Malaysian Boeing-777, the MH-17 flight over the territory of South-Eastern Ukraine, rejection of Russian separatists with military support from Ukraine. On the basis of valid facts experts concluded that the aircraft was shot down by air defense missile system "Buk", which contradicts promulgated in 2014 the Russian Defense Ministry radar data indicative of finding Ukrainian attack aircraft C-25 in the sky at the time of the disaster, which is missile "air-to air "supposedly brought down the plane.
    It seems that Russian power structures there is a competition for Russian disavowal of blame for the deaths of 298 people MH-17 flight. Kremlin is rushing from one absurdity to another. Put forward a variety of mutually false assumption to avoid responsibility for the downed «Boeing-777". So, based apparently on the assumption that the US space surveillance could register absence in the incident area more any aircraft object, in addition to the Malaysian liner, followed by the assertion that the Boeing-777 was struck by a missile "surface-to-air", launched from the territory controlled by Ukrainian military indicating the exact rocket launch site - at the settlement Zaroshchenske.
    However, taken soil samples did not confirm the Russian version of the missile launch at Zaroshchenske. From a survey of eyewitnesses it was revealed that the rocket was launched in the area of the settlement of snow. For collecting samples of soil found the exact location of the launch rocket, namely settlement Pervomayskiy, which is two kilometers from the municipality of snow, which is on the territory of the self-proclaimed republic of Donetsk. The report also pointed out that the complex "Buk" was delivered to the Russian border, and after the launch of a missile by the Malaysian «Boeing-777" hastily evacuated back to Russia.

    The lack of information about the investigation made it difficult in choosing the Kremlin false choices, refuting the participation of Russian air defense systems in the Donetsk region. In this connection it is interesting the last Russian reaction to the report of the Netherlands. Russia introduced a new radar data of the situation at the time of death Boeing, from which it follows that no missiles or attack aircraft Ukrainian radar station is not registered. Involuntarily the question arises as to why these data Russia hid for two years and gave the commission leading the investigation, only after reading the report. Moreover, Russia can claim that the missile was launched from the village Ukrainians Roschenskoe if the submitted data it is not fixed radars of any missiles. It turns out that the flight MH-17 was shot down, and fell on his own. Absurd! The Kremlin finally entangled in lies

    Now I understand why Russia vetoed a UN Security Council resolution on the establishment of an international tribunal into the death of Flight MH-17. Chief liar Empire of Lies (1) tries to take the blame for the death of Russian military 298 people.

    It is time for the Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine, with the blood-drenched Chechnya excluded from the United Nations, as was once expelled from the League of Nations, the Soviet Union has unleashed a war with Finland in 1939. The international community finally has to realize that to negotiate, let alone sign any documents with false Russian is useless.

    1. The Empire of Lies and its chief liar http://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/22317.html

    10/8/16
     
  2. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    "after a two-year investigation of the Netherlands published an interim report"

    which tells everything about the aims and quality of the investigation... 2 years. And no result.

    "On the basis of valid facts experts concluded that the aircraft was shot down by air defense missile system "Buk"
    These 'valid facts' is unofficial information from social networks and fabricated data of interested and responsible side - ukrainian government which was responsible for the plane in its territory. The worst thing is that a lot of european people were killed just to spread some propaganda on the others. Since it succeeded it means that hundreds, thousands or millions of europeans will be killed for the sake of invading another country by NATO. When it happens I promise to point at the responsibility of all the propaganda spreaders starting from the 'investigators' ending with every propaganda spreading account...

    PS. When russian plane by mistake was shot down by ukrainian army there was no such an obvious propaganda campaign. Why? Russians are a low nation? Or it is just needed to owners of western propaganda?
     
  3. RUS

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    Oh my God. You are sing your favorite song again. Well.I'll sing this song again too. (together with you :rock_slayer:) .

     
  4. Alik Bahshi

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    Also, as the Russian did not recognize his guilt in the shooting of the Poles in Katyn, today also they do not recognize his guilt in the death of 298 people of the Malaysian Boeing 777 MH-17 flight. Empire of Lies has not changed and is unlikely to change.
     
  5. Throughout

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    The plane was shoot down by Russia, It is so obvious.
     
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    You are totally right!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Europe and the US put the blame on Russia for something? Wow what a surprise! :bored:
     
  8. Throughout

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    When Russia will became a democratic state and will recognize its crimes?
     
  9. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    Russia was briefly "kind of" democratic prior to putin, yet they didn't admit to most crimes done under the USSR. Russia has done things equal to or worse than nazi germany did, of course it's not an easy thing to admit. Russians have been told by their govenment that russia never did anything wrong.. the natural reaction for russians is to simply refuse to believe. It's so much easier to just continue the lie than face the truth. The germans admitted their crimes when they were brutally defeated in war and occupied afterwards. Nothing like that happened to russia. They will continue to deny.
     
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    The fact that the Russian people used to live in lies and under totalitarianism. And most importantly the Russian people, because of their mentality can only exist in the empire by exploiting other people and their natural wealth. Without Empire the Russian people disappear.
     
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    Sounds like racism. Maybe it's time to complain to mods?
     
  12. Throughout

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    Sounds like the fact [: But I understand nobody want to recognize the truth.
     
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    you don't know the history completely, soviets not Russians were guilty in the shooting of the Poles in Katyn,
    and Ukraine was guilt in the death of 298 people of the Malaysian Boeing 777 MH-17 flight.
     
  14. Throughout

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    Well, Russia is the successor of Soviet Union.
     
  15. Throughout

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    So, RuSSia is directly responsible for this crime. So, you don't need to push the guilty for some soviets. Respond for you history and crimes, dear Russian.
     
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    economically only, not ideologically
     
  17. RUS

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    Do you have arguments to defend the Ukrainian president on charges?:boxing:


    Verdict.
    the President of Ukraine Poroshenko is responsible for the tragedy MN-17.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Russia is legal successor of the Soviet Union. And Russia also is a dictatorship as Soviet Union was.
     
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    It's a common song of Russians from a victim make a perpetrator.
     
  20. Throughout

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    There is an interesting article for you to read.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37495067

    "The missile had been taken from Russia to rebel-held Ukraine in the morning of 17 July, when the plane was shot down, and the launcher was taken back to Russia the next day, he said."

    What nasty creatures should be Russians to blame Ukraine for it.

    Ukrainians are your the most close sisters and brothers. Why Russia occupies, kills, attacks its sisters and brothers?
     
  21. Alik Bahshi

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    In this case, the Russian writers, too, can be accused of racism. "They are not people, they are boors, villains, wild hordes of murderers and miscreants." - М. Bulgakov

    "Russian - the people who hates the will deify slavery, love shackles on his hands and feet, loves his bloody despots, feels no beauty, dirty physically and mentally, for centuries living in darkness, obscurantism, and not lift a finger to something human, but always ready to captivity, to oppress everyone and everything, the whole world. It's not the people, and the historical curse of mankind "- I.S. Shmelev.

    "Russian lie that blow my nose. They lie comes out of their slavish nature. The people never knew and did not speak the truth, people are slaves of the spiritual and the physical. Miserable people." - N.M. Karamzin

    "At the heart of every Russian, unlike the Europeans, lives tricky vicious animal." - Carl Gustav Jung (Swiss psychiatrist).

    You see, sometimes it is necessary to say that there is, as you can not hide from the man the truth about his illness.
     
  22. RUS

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    Do you have arguments to defend the Ukrainian president on charges?:boxing:

    I recall the essence of the event.
    1) the President of Ukraine Poroshenko, shouting very loudly that in the Donbas is a war ......
    2) The Donbas's rebels shot down several military Ukrainian aircrafts before the MN 17 was shot down.

    Nevertheless, the president of Ukraine did not close the Donbas ( a war territory ) for civil aircraft. What is he waited for? He waited for the tragedy? He got what he was waited for. He got what he wanted.


    [​IMG]


    The President of Ukraine is to blame for this tragedy.


    PS
    Look at the map.
    The Closing of the territory of the war for civilian aircraft would not have caused any inconvenience.

    A civilian aircraft don’t need to fly long away To circumnavigate the Donbas,

    [​IMG]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36350520



    Verdict.
    the President of Ukraine Poroshenko is responsible for the tragedy MN-17.



    In other words - you do not have arguments to defend the Ukrainian president on charges.
     
  23. Throughout

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    Unfortunately, you don't want any arguments [: But don't be a victim of Russian propaganda. Don't let that it could f*uck you through all your holes :)
     
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    you don't completely understand. Russia doesn't , kill, attack.Russia helps ethnic Russians of Е Ukraine To FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS and independence only,AND IT help is unfortunately VERY poor
     
  25. Alik Bahshi

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    Oriental wisdom says - do not argue with a ruler, a crowd and a child. In the first two cases, it is dangerous, in the third useless. So you come to the case of a child. As Poroshenko can close or open the air space over the territory, which is not subject to him. Imagine for example that Estonia is at war with Russia. Assume that the part of the Russian territory of Estonia captured, and this occupied territory some thug broke into the hotel and killed the Swedish tourists. After that, Russia was accused in the fact that she had to close the hotel and to prevent crime. It is right?
     

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