It's Capitalism, Not Globalism

What's important, quantity or quality?

 

I don't see one negative so long as their cost of living is not subsidized. Of course, it is subsidized, but that isn't their fault; it's ours.

Well, introducing more and more potential resources to a system such as the one in the US is never going to reduce the potential for expanded positive outcomes.

So, why doesn't the government just stop the subsidization, and they would have to compete in the labor market on an even playing field. Mind you, if they are willing to lower their quality of life in order to better compete, that is fair play.

That's not what capitalism is about, but that doesn't seem to matter to you either way.

 

Either you are speaking of violent revolution, or you don't know about the worldwide emergence of worker owned/operated enterprises and laws to support them.

 

"Well, it shouldn’t really be news to anyone, but yes, despite the fiction that we’re fortunate to be a part of a community of democratic nations in which we enjoy the blessings of liberty and the rule of law, we the common people of the First World are indeed existing under the domination of an unofficial oligarchy. The dominant class in our age is of course the capitalist class, aka the bosses and the big shots of big business and finance, aka the ruling rich, aka the 1% of humanity who monopolize most of the economic and political power, and who institute the dictatorship of the workplace, and the dictatorship of the plutotariat; who reduce the rest of us to wage slaves and subvert the dream of democracy; who degrade us into pieces of equipment that they use to further enrich themselves, and who generate a form of government that serves and protects their special interests at our expense; and who ever since the era of colonialism have been engaged in establishing the dominion of capital over the other peoples of the earth."


I hate to break it to you- but this "class" you think is ruling the world or at least America is the one paying most of the bills and keeping the nation alive. The one that makes things happen that provide the engine that runs our economy. It's the one people hate for having more than they do- the one they would like to take everything from, so we could all be- equally poor.

Some people can't do better because they are just not bright enough, but most don't do better because they aren't willing to. They could if they would- but they can't because they won't. Those evil wealthy people would be happy to see more wealthy people to share the load, but they also know that while you could give people money- you can't give them success, you can't give them drive or ambition, because all those things must come from the inside, you must earn them from yourself. Keep telling them that they are poor because others are rich, and they are eager to believe it; that requires nothing them except complaints, which they already know how to do. Tell them how to succeed, how to become wealthy or independent- and they will often insult you to your face and tell you how little you understand.

Ask a wealthy person- respectfully- if he will tell you the secret of his success, and most of them will gladly do so. Some of them will be so impressed that there is actually a few ambitious people left, they will bend over backwards to help. That was done for me, and I have offered to do that for others at every opportunity- but sadly, such opportunities are very rare. Most just want something for nothing, a free ride or hot tip that will make them rich overnight.

 

If Trump could just do one thing, and one thing only, it would help out most americans more than anything else to be done at this point. Reverse open borders free trade, which is a robber baron scheme to enrich only themselves to the max.

Nothing wrong with capitalism, if you see capitalism as the system that allows for the greatest number of people to prosper by their work. But that is not the flavor of capitalism that we currently have. The change was basically when Milton Friedman said that the only responsibility a corporation had was to max out profits. This philosophy replaced the philosophy that created the largest middle class in world history, where corporations were to be satisfied with a reasonable profit and to exercise social responsibility to the society that they were a part of. This change in philosophy is what hollowed out America, is threatening the middle class and will drive up poverty numbers as long it is allowed to continue.

What we should have is a capitalism that is used to help all working people to prosper by their work. But what we have today is a capitalism this exists only to max out the profits of the robber barons. It cannot be sustained of course, but it looks like it will not be changed until someone like trump wins, or the society implodes and we start hanging people again, who have given us this system.

 

yep, corporatism has taken over

 

It seems you haven't noticed that the capitalist class learned from FDR's changes and figured out how to gradually eliminate his programs and reforms, disarm the public against repeating it, and thereby consolidated their domination and control of our economy and political life.

 

That's a sweet-sounding theory. But corporate gain of market share is only used to increase profits. Customer gain is only coincidental.

Yup, that's what they want you to say and believe.

And I'm sure that prevents manufacturers from maintaining quality. "Planned obsolescence" is a communist lie.

Is that supposed to refute my notion of decline of the capitalist financial system?

Thanks for confirming that the capitalist government works with the capitalist system.

 

You seem to have fallen for the capitalist propaganda that foreign aid is a benevolent and altruistic thing.

 

Truth depends on context
If you evaluate these factors in the context of the growth of the entire us economy... you will arrive at one answer. If ypu look at the question from the general well being of existing citizens, you might well come up with a different answer.

Is it better to have lower priced imported products, or higher priced domestic products?
Clearly corporate profits, sales at Walmart, and consumer prices all benefit from globalization.
Otoh, lots of people in the work force are adversly affected with fewer and lower paying jobs

If you are not one of those adversly impacted people...
if you are a hedge fund manager or a real estate developer
.globalization is great policy with no downsides

It depends on wheather your ox is getting gored

 

I know it is difficult for many to envision any possibilities that lie beyond the system we currently have and so all they can normally come up with is a parroting of the steady stream of propaganda we are fed. But some items of that propaganda are actually too transparent and too slanderous of people to justify repeating them. This is one of those items. Facts refute such cruel judgements.

 

--for their own benefit.

The remainder of your post was a repulsive slander of people who, as it turns out, are very much like you and me. You have surrendered; you have allowed the capitalist propaganda to poison your mind.

 

LOL! Keep believing that because, after all, you want to.

To think a narcissistic, sociopathic, emotionally immature bully would suddenly think first of others is the height of gullibility.

 

the working class makes it all possible and if the rich are getting richer are they really paying for anything or just getting richer.... heck Trump it looks like hasn't paid federal taxes in years, and he may be hiding even worse then that, we will never know

 

Which of course the founding fathers embedded in the Constitution a guaranty we would not have.

 

The first time I ever read the word "bourgeois" was when I was 15 years old and it was a political propaganda book written by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels. Marx was a good economist based upon his beliefs about labor being the source of economic growth but he blew it when he teamed up with Engels to go political. I myself grew up from that period when I read about the political "bourgeois" and became wiser. Trump is closer to the American workers' dreams and needs than Clinton certainly is. Read her speeches to Goldman Sachs. Clinton represents what Marx and Engels hated.

Steve

 

Spoken by an elitist, and someone who was also an arch imperialist, a racist, and a right-winger. In short, he certainly didn't issue his condemnation of socialism from atop anything resembling the moral high ground.

 

Such an absurd statement completely robs your point of view of legitimacy and respectability. I certainly respect your right to do your own, and to express your thinking, but no, there's nothing about the thinking behind this statement per se that one can take seriously.

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Excellent points.

 

Churchill a realist ROFL speaking the observable truth.

Want another view?

[video=youtube;RWsx1X8PV_A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A[/video]

Now care to respond to what I posted?

Which of course the founding fathers embedded in the Constitution a guaranty we would not have.

 

Globalism is a stateless capitalism.

Globalism is when the capitalist hold no loyalty to any one country.

The "New World Order" of open borders where the foreign oligarchies elitist are in charge and get rich of the sweat of other people.

 

Kind of channeling Ayn Rand, aren't you. Well, it sounds like capitalists are your heroes; and that the working class, in your estimation, consists of a mass of shlubs. A point of view that I don't care to dignify with a more substantive reply.

 

I'll repost this here because it's more appropriate in this thread.

You're rather like a Holocaust denier watching film of emaciated corpses and other evidence of the lethality of Hitlerism and still attempting to let the Nazi regime off the hook for what went down under its watch in death camps such as Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Firstly, as you perhaps might be aware, if you've read any history, a serious bit of adversity has been thrown North Korea's way, beginning with that destructive little episode called the Korean War. And of course North Korea has been under constant siege by this country and its client (and yet its leaders and the philosophy of communism are blamed for it becoming a closed society!). And, what's more, it suffers from a serious disadvantage, virtually all of the arable land is located in the south (this little factoid, combined with being under siege, certainly helps to explain North Korea's hunger problem, but of course your type gets much more satisfaction from laying everything dysfunctional, dysteleological, and dystopian about North Korean society at the doorstep of its allegedly communist regime). And last but not least, its worst handicap is that no, its system is not a shinning model of authentic communism (it's arguably more inspired by the WWII-era Japanese fascist state model). And yet despite all of this, and despite the North Korean state having coped with the hostility and adversity that it's been subjected to, and having managed to implement socialism well enough to build a modern society with guaranteed housing and health care and employment for everyone, an absence of slums, a good public transportation system, some attractive public buildings, the beautiful city of Pyongyang, and an economic system that is commendably making a minimal contribution to climate change, your conventional and clearly biased mind, which has uncritically swallowed the obviously demonized image of the country purveyed by our capitalist-owned media, still thinks that North Korea can be held up as a textbook example of the nightmare that communism supposedly leads to! LOL! (P.S. With an implacable and formidable enemy like the United States can anyone really blame North Korean leaders for wanting a nuclear bomb?!)

Here, read this, by one of the most brilliant theologians (I point this out because it's quite predictable that you or others of your conventional, anti-communist POV will respond with cheap shots at his mental competence) of our time, who actually toured North Korea recently,

http://www.jesusjazzbuddhism.org/reflections-after-a-week-in-north-korea.html

 

I have never been forced to buy anything by a private corporation. Have you? Also, what is the magical competitive advantage corporations use to gain market share that results in less value to the customer?

Funny how the truth has that effect on people.

Yet, most refrigerators are replaced before they stop working. Your "planned obsolescence" point is moot, at least with refrigerators.

If your point was "the decline of the capitalist financial system", then, you whiffed completely, and it is no wonder that I didn't refute a point that wasn't adequately made.

We need more involvement to mitigate the government collusion caused by all the government involvement?

 

Shrubs? If that's what you choose to be, it's your privilege. Each of us are what we make ourselves. I don't know of anyone who has a job he didn't apply for at a wage he accepted as an agreed upon compensation, or who is not allowed to quit without notice and better himself in any way he chooses at any time. The same opportunity exists for each of those people to make something of themselves. And before you say how those with money started with some big advantage- I started with an old pick-up truck and some tools, and talked people into giving me credit until I could sell something to start paying bills. There has never been a dime come into my hands from any government source, not even an unemployment check- and I have written 6-figure income tax checks. We all have the same opportunity, yet some want desperately to believe that those who succeed are lucky, inherited it, won it, stole it, or in some way never earned it. At the same time, not having been in the position of a person who has accomplished something significant, they are talking about things they know nothing about.

It's not luck, it's not an accident- it's having a sound plan, using good judgment usually earned in the college of hard knocks, working both hard and smart and disciplining yourself to consistently stay on track- spending most of your mental energy focused on your success instead of hating your job or chasing pokemons. You can't convince these people that it is possible for them because they don't want to believe it- and don't want to accept the personal responsibility that goes with that accepting that belief. Self-made failures are far more common than self-made successes, and they are usually whiners.

Here's some of the businesses that were started in garages and/or with shoe-string finances- nasty, evil rich people that just got lucky by accident, or stole dollars off the money tree before you got out of bed:

Pizza Hut
Microsoft
Amazon
Apple
Disney
Papa Johns Pizza
Google
Harley-Davidson
HP (Hewlett-Packard)
Dell
Nike
Lotus (Cars)
Maglite (flashlights
Mattel

By the way- this is only a tiny part of a very long list. You could add in my tiny company, which has customers in 106 nations now, but it's still tiny. Opportunity is everywhere- so are people who have no interest in it, refuse to look for it, and think wealth should be an entitlement. My advice to them? Get off your ass, stop whining and make something happen for yourself. Nobody is trying to stop you- just the opposite, we are trying to start you, and we're tired of carrying the dead weight you dump on the rest of society.

 

I can't possibly have fallen for that considering I don't think that foreign aid has anything to do with capitalism.