Why do We The People love Trump?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;YY-CiPVo_NQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ[/video]


    I believe he has nailed it!
     
  2. YouLie

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    I like it. If there's one message that's resonated more than anything else, I believe it's the stupidity of our elected officials, which has resulted in millions of lost jobs and lower wages.

    Send our factories to Mexico, and get their worst people in return. Helluva deal.
     
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    what really resonates is that they have become criminal
     
  4. One Mind

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    This feeling among trump supporters has not been covered in the MSM, and very little with FOX either. Instead MSM painted his supporters as deplorable, the back bone of America is deplorable.

    I just hope trump is sincere about what he has run on, which would be a huge change. For even Obama ran on lies, as Hillary is running on lies, and if trump keeps his promise after he wins, he will have no problem winning again. There are enough people in America now who are fed up with the robber baron schemes, open borders, free trade, the financialization which no longer serves main street. And something is going to break, sooner or later, whether it is with trump or someone else. For the current economic paradigm, the sell out of America, in the interests of the robber barons will not prevail. Whether it is changed peacefully or by blood and guts is the only question. Only people who live in bubbles are clueless. And of course Hillary supporters who if they are working people, are the dumbest working people ever to live in America.
     
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    Quick question, who exactly is we the people who love Trump? Looking at the polls, Trump could have 43% of 100% love him as that is the percentage he has in RCP averages. Then according to a YouGov poll, 49% of those stating they would vote for Trump say they are voting against Clinton and not for Trump. So 43 X .49 equals 21.07% who are actually for Trump and might even love him. So is 21% of 100%, we the people?

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/warkw5pdui/econToplines.pdf

    According to the same poll, 21% of the electorate is enthusiastic for Trump. Hmm, exactly what I just figured we the people are. Another 18% are satisfied with him as a candidate, but not enthusiastic. That means he is better than Clinton for them, but they don't love him. 13% are dissatisfied with the choice of Trump, they don't love him either and 47% of all Americans are upset that Trump is a candidate. No love with that last one either.

    So we can safely state that your "We the People," are but 21% of all the people.
     
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    Day of the Candor Well-Known Member

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    For a lot of us it isn't that we love Trump, but we despise Hillary. He may do some things wrong and make some mistakes. But she already has committed crimes and a lot of them. She should not be allowed anywhere near the White House, and even more crime and corruption will follow her whereever she goes. So I'll vote for Trump.

    BTW, a vote for anybody in a so called 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. But some people like the idea of throwing their votes away so that they can feel special or something. What a joke.
     
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    What exactly are those crimes?
     
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    I have always thought the dumbest workers in America were the ones that gave up their unions. With the rise of unions American workers became the envy of the world. Now without the strength in numbers unions gave them a great many are pinning their hopes on a rather despicable man who has a record of screwing over his workers.
     
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    Interesting.

    The way I see it, voting for trash like Clinton OR Trump is the literal definition of "throwing your vote away".

    Dishonesty is dishonesty. Trump is not better than Hillary just because Trump hasn't yet had the opportunity to lie as an elected/appointed official. He's had accusations of fraud and deceit and unethical behavior just like Clinton has.

    You can certainly support Trump, but you can't do so while simultaneously criticizing Hillary Clinton for much of the same types of behavior that Trump himself is guilty of.

    Do you know what that does? It says that you don't actually care about those things, just as long as the guy you like is the one doing them. You can't attack and criticize Clinton, turn around and vote for Trump, and then pretend you still have credibility left afterwards.

    Your vote will tell what actually matters to you, and if it really is honesty and corruption that you care about, you won't be casting a vote for either of the two main candidates because they are both rife with it.

    So which is it? Excuse Trump's wrongdoings but not Clinton's?

    Or stand behind the principles you use to condemn her no matter who the subject is?
     
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    That's rich...A guy voting for a reality TV game show host for President of the United States accusing other people of throwing their vote away.

    Newsflash: Trump ain't gonna' win either.
     
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    He promised to fix something that is a malcontent for some against the incumbent leadership,
    in short politicizing.
     
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    Trump's brand is manufactured in China.
     
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    The problem is precisely that they are not, never were "our" factories. Rather, under capitalism we're dispossessed of the means of production, the means of production become the private property of capitalists and corporations, who, driven by the sociopathic-making drive for profit maximization and the accumulation of capital will engage in practices that adversely affect the welfare of the rest of us, such as outsourcing production to countries in which there's plenty of cheap labor to exploit. Well, what do you expect but a distressed working class in a system in which those who control most of the economic wealth and power are a separate and small class whose members aren't required to care one whit about the economic well-being of their society and its working-class population; a system in which, rather, it's insanely taken to be the capitalist's prerogative to do whatever is dictated by private self-interest, with no regard for the common good?

    Now then, a sentence such as "Send our factories to Mexico" takes our thinking away from the recognition of all of the above, and interprets the exportation of factories and jobs as an us vs. them proposition, us being members of our nationality group, and them being members of any national outgroup (such as "Mexicans"). However, the us vs. them proposition that we're actually presented with, and would be zeroing in on if we were properly conscientized is the conflict of interests and the class struggle between workingpeople and capitalists. Well, it's indeed the harsh objective reality that capitalist elites have and are actuated by class interests and an imperative to accumulate that are often seriously at odds with the interests and needs of workers, and the dangerous fact that capitalists are excessively at liberty and empowered to only abide by their own class concerns, economic egoism, and drive for accumulation that accounts for the increasing precarization and immiseration of the laboring little guy/gal. The penchant of the nationalistic mentality for instead misidentifying foreign workers as the source of our economic pain is obviously counterproductive because it misdirects our disgruntlement and allows capitalists to carry on practicing a ruthless MO geared only for their own enrichment.

    Why is it that so many wage-earning folks go in for this counterproductive nationalistic interpretation of the working class' plight? Well, underlying the nationalistic mentality is a threat-oriented and xenophobic cognitive style that's inclined to be on the lookout for threats and enemies foreign rather than domestic, and which overrides the commonsense awareness of being immiserated by one's own capitalist countrymen. Then of course there's our indoctrination to view capitalists positively, and to even vicariously identify with them, rather than identify them as the true enemies of our socioeconomic well-being. And of course there's the very effective job of promoting this pro-capitalist, pro-business indoctrination that the conservative movement has been doing for decades. And, tragically, there isn't much of a left in our society to countervail against the right's efforts to brainwash us to love capitalist big brother; to conscientize us, i.e. promote a class consciousness which would help to keep us from falling prey to a superficial nationalistic analysis of our economic situation. Consequently, a great many working-class folks do get taken in by the nationalistic interpretation, and become an unwitting part of the problem, rather than a conscientized part of the solution.

    At any rate, it does workingpeople no good whatsoever to be drawn into the xenophobic scapegoating of immigrants – who've by the way been driven to become immigrants by the poverty inflicted upon them by the capitalist world order, another way in which it's actually the capitalist system and its elites who are ultimately responsible for the economic grievances that nationalists try to blame on the alien other. It would behoove us to instead begin to focus all of our ire, critical thinking, and desire for change on our socioeconomic system and its capitalist ruling class. As long as we continue to preoccupy ourselves with the racist red herrings of the alt-right, and to give the capitalist system and elite a free pass, the working class will never be rescued from its increasingly dire straits.
     
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    And, btw, in case I need to spell it out, electing a race-baiting capitalist elite like The Donald certainly isn't going to help matters.
     
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    Even Cows are starting to notice how big the pile of Leftest #@%^ has grown.
     
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    Because he ain't a career politician.
     
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    Says who?
    Your crystal ball?
     
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    Trump is hitlerian. All one needs to do is go back and check some history. He is running on a platform of alienating people, racially charged dogma, fixing a broken and derelict country, and blameshifting the problems to Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, etc.

    He encourages violence. "I'd like to punch him in the face." He encourages genocide and nuclear holocaust "If we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?" x 3, "I'd bomb the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of them."

    Trump is the definition of a demagogue, a death rattling gasp for the dying white vote, a splinter cell that is challenging modern politics by harkening to the Fascism of the 20's-40's.

    We the people do not love trump. We the misled, misguided, downtrodden love trump, especially if we're white. But some of us can see through the façade of BS, and see what it really is.

    An angry, idiotic man who has an axe to grind and has used racially charged rhetoric to befit a seething mass of primarily white suburban and rural voters.

    If he wins, we all lose. If Hillary wins, we all lose.

    We're (*)(*)(*)(*)ed either way.
     
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    Trump's brand and Ivanka's brand is manufactured in China......

    Blue collar voters will be Trump's first victims. His record is clear on that.
     
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    Both these candidates are toxic for America. And the majority of people who will vote for Trump do not "love" him as much as they hate Hillary.
    As I have said before, it's going to be the "against" voters who will decide this election - not the supporters.

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    Both these candidates are toxic for America. And the majority of people who will vote for Trump do not "love" him as much as they hate Hillary.
    As I have said before, it's going to be the "against" voters who will decide this election - not the supporters.
     
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    Don't knock him - he's your saviour.
     
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    Dude, you realize this is sort of like saying you'd be just fine with a rapist or murderer babysitting your kids because they've never been a child abductor.

    Corruption exists in the private sector too. Why do you think the corrupt politicians swing back and forth between public and private?

    His not being a politician means absolutely positively NOTHING.
     
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    Trump Tower in Toronto has just declared bankruptcy .. They say it was over promised and under delivered.. .. so the investors are screwed again.
     
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    The people who "love" the reality tv performer - principally less-educated, older White males - are far more emotional than cerebral.

    They are given to paranoidal notions, feeling of persecution, and alienation from America as they join with neo-nazis, ku klux klan, and other white supremacists who have enthusiastically embraced the squalid huckster who demeans women, the handicapped, American POWs, judges of ethnicities of which he disapproves. His egomaniacal hissyfits are multi-directional as he trashes an America his abject bumboys see as having been mean to them.

    The politically-inexperienced charlatan panders to xenophobia, nativism, and prejudice, and his cult of personality is built on the victims' seething anger at America, as his irrational raving gives voice to their anger.

    His lies tap their hostility and bypass their reason. If he conjures up thousands and thousands in New Jersey cheering terrorism, they see thousands and thousands in New Jersey cheering terrorism.

    The poor, deluded sods are so smitten, he can openly mock his worshippers for their mindless devotion, arrogantly assured that they will grovel and eagerly swallow whatever crap he feeds them:

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    "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody,
    okay, and I wouldn't lose any voters!"

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    "Why do We The People love Trump?"

    it's hard to explain why some love Trump

    [video=youtube;unoMMru4-c0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0[/video]
     
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