My fellow republicans. Please stop dismissing the seriousness of the Russian hacking!

I'm a republican. I voted for Trump. I'm part Russian. And I'm glad to have seen what was in those Clinton emails. I also don't think the hacking changed the election results. Trump won because the blue wall fell in the midwest due to economic issues, not because of hacked emails.

Yet I'm still a bit annoyed that some of my fellow republicans are dismissing the seriousness of the Russian hacking. I understand why they, and Trump himself are doing this. Because they see it as another attempt by the left to delegitimize Trump. And they may be right.

However that doesn't change the situation. It now looks pretty clear that Russia was involved in trying to alter the course of an American election and that's serious, really serious! The fact that a foreign power is able to get so directly involved in an American election is not a good thing, regardless of the information that comes to light or the result that occurs.

It undermines confidence in an election. It can possibly undermine the results of an election and void an election if it were proven beyond a doubt that the interference changed the results. This could lead to chaos in the government. It embarrasses America and makes its intelligence agencies look weak. Worse, it can be seen as an act of war and result in an escalation which results in a shooting war.

The results don't justify the means!!!

Trump shouldn't dismiss America's intelligence reports on this matter. He can say that the Russia hacking didn't change the results, that's okay, but as president elect it's insane to publicly say the intelligence agencies are wrong. Insane and unprofessional. He's supporters shouldn't dismiss those reports either.

The fact that some democrats are jumping all over this story in order to delegitimize Trump's presidency and in some cases trying to use the story to stop him from being president doesn't change what happened. A foreign power screwed with America's election.

To my fellow republicans. Please stop dismissing what appears to have happened. Let's be honest, if the hacking helped Clinton instead of Trump and if Clinton won, we'd be pissed off too.

 

You sure about that, Anna...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195596/email-dominates-americans-heard-clinton.aspx

 

My fellow Democrats . Please stop using the Russian hacking in an attempt to delegitimize Trump winning the presidency

 

Anyone who has read this board for any length of time knows I'm about as liberal and as big a Democratic Party supporter as they come.

That said...Trump is (unfortunately) our President (absent proof that he was directly involved in this hacking..in which case we get Pence ...or Ryan).

But this is serious. They hacked the GOP as well. They just haven't used that information...yet

 

Lick your wounds, dry your eyes, man the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and give it a rest already. There is an alpha in the house now.

 

Did they hack the RNC? Neither the RNC or the FBI seems to think so.

 

What the hell did THAT post have to do with what I posted above?

Here..I'll post it again for you

Anyone who has read this board for any length of time knows I'm about as liberal and as big a Democratic Party supporter as they come.

That said...Trump is (unfortunately) our President (absent proof that he was directly involved in this hacking..in which case we get Pence ...or Ryan).

But this is serious. They hacked the GOP as well. They just haven't used that information...yet

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They did. Keep up

 

Referring to the article you linked, yes the emails dominated what people have heard about Clinton but the article didn't say the substance contained in the Clinton emails were why people voted against her.

Also the article is dated September. Trump made a late push in the midwest states and he campaigned hard on the outsourcing of jobs. In fact in interviews I saw it was economic issues which were cited by the people of the midwest as their reasons for voting for Trump. They also said that Trump appeared to have their interest at heart where as Clinton ignored them. For example Clinton never campaigned (in the general election) in the state of Wisconsin.

 

cia has said the emails came from inside the DNC party itself..by members who did not like hillary..not the Russians that your party has been saying in their fake news crap

 

Repeating fake news doesn't make it true.

 

Or ... Republicans didn't leave a digital record of dirty tricks employed by GOP establishment elitists to winnow away candidates during the primaries. Perhaps the Nixon tapes taught a valuable lesson. Surprising the DNC learned nothing from Hillary's personal difficulties that arose from errant emails.

 

Nothing new. Democrats and Republicans have both made this an art form.

In 2008 Democrats vehemently opposed the Patriot Act and war. In 2009 and beyond they pulled a massive, "Nevermind!"

In 2008 Republicans supported the Patriot Act and war. In 2009, same thing happens, all of a sudden they all flip-flop.

And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that they've flipped again on both of those in light of the last election results.

It just goes to show that the majority of the American electorate aren't deep thinkers, to put it kindly, who simply parrot whatever lines they're instructed to, even if those lines contradict last week's instructions. We've always been at war with Eurasia, right?

So, yes, (D)s are mainly making hay of this to try to undermine Trump and (R)s have made it clear that they'll do whatever it takes to defend their messiah, even if that means defending the nation they used to refer to as "The Red Menace™."

I think it would be wise for the American people to put partisanship aside for half a second and take this seriously wherever it may lead but I know that they won't.

 

My point is I wasn't a trump supporter in the primaries, but I voted for him in the general. Trump wasn't my guy but I am not as disturbed about his being elected as I am about the revelation of just how scared and weak the men of our nation have become.

 

In an interview with NPR today president Obama said "We need to take action. And we will."
He was referring to Russia.

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505775550/obama-on-russian-hacking-we-need-to-take-action-and-we-will

Now I have to conclude that if the president is saying he's going to take action against Russia, which is a serious thing to say and do, then he must be pretty darn sure Russia is responsible. Otherwise he risks serious conflict with Russia based on a mistake or lie.

 

The Red Menace was communist USSR. It doesn't exist anymore.

 

"...American electorate aren't deep thinkers..."

...about politics.

Not everyone has the time to be a news junkie. So they have to have faith in their government. I can't blame them for that.

There are exceptions on both sides and I hope those exceptions speak up more.

".. but I know that they won't."

I want to rebut that statement.
But I can't.

 

The real problem isn't the alleged hacking which at this point in time is innuendo with no proof but believing innuendo is proof. It is being used as a distraction and an excuse for a failed poorly run campaign.

 

i trust the CIA more than that lying sack of garbage..he has been lying to you folks for 8 years now and you still believe him..god help you folks

 

No they didn't. That's why the treasonous CIA refused to provide evidence under testimony.

 

I believe there has to be proof because I can't imagine president Obama doing something as serious as calling for, and saying there will be, action against Russia. He's still the president and he can't just say things like that without consequence.

I do agree with you when you say the democrats are using it as an excuse to hide their failure in running the campaign. The democrats were talking about how they could run up the electoral score to embarrass Trump while people like Bill Clinton and Michael Moore were warning them that they were losing the midwest. Their warnings went ignored.

 

The CIA and other intelligence agencies are the ones giving president Obama the information about the Russian hacking.
As for president Obama, didn't vote for him but he's still my president and I'll take him at his word on matters like this until I see proven otherwise.

 

Read carefully what Obama said about it. It's called posturing. Reports are that he knew about it before and did nothing until Trump was elected. Funny eh?

 

No they have not. Care to cite your source?

 

It's not that people are dismissing the seriousness of hacking, assuming that it occurred. It's that the claim is so far unsubstantiated and contested, and being used by Democrat crybabies.

We haven't been given evidence so far. We have words of suspicion allegedly from someone in the CIA, and that's about it.

 

Take care, now. Which other agencies did you have in mind?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sian-election-hacking-trump-clinton/95329212/

Q&A: Why the CIA, FBI differ on Russian election hacking

Strength of evidence at issue in whether Russia aimed to tilt election to Trump.

WASHINGTON — New questions about the ultimate goal and the extent of Russia's intrusions into U.S. political institutions continued to emerge Monday after intelligence officials briefed lawmakers last week with the dramatic assessment that Russian hackers sought to tilt last month's general election to President-elect Donald Trump.

Trump has dismissed the conclusions outright, and the FBI has suggested that the assessment — while possibly accurate — so far lacks definitive evidence necessary, said two U.S. officials who are not authorized to comment publicly.

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