Is Trump crazy or just incredibly stupid?

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

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    China is going to lose 1/3 to 1/2 of its population due to an economic war with the United States?......huh. If that were true, it would further bolster my point that they have no desire for a trade war, but the fact of the matter is that claim is patently ridiculous. LOL.... More than anything, it shows the detached from reality chicken little mentality from which you are coming.

    Millions of Americans would starve immediately?...LOL....you truly are very funny. Its almost ADORABLE.

    I can only assume that you must be very young.

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    Except for the fact that unlike in 1941, we could literally wipe them off the map within 30 minutes. Mutually Assured Destruction does have its benefits.
     
  3. Woolley

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    He is just truly stupid. The stupidity will continue until enough of us come to our senses and demand he be impeached. I fear it will take many of us at least a couple years to get there but we will get there one way or the other. Expect chaos.
     
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    The CIA et al are refusing to appear before Congress.

    I suppose that is better than taking the 5th or committing perjury.
     
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    Even the informed Left knows how crooked the Clintons really are.

    “The Clinton’s need to have their assets seized, Giustra needs to arrested, and at a minimum racketeering charges need to pursued against the whole damn bunch of ‘em….BEFORE IT GETS REPEATED WITH, SAY, THE TPP.
    Hillary needs to face charges of Espionage for her e-mail. And if guilty, like with Edward Snowden, all options for disposition of her miserable guilty ass should be on the table including the death penalty.” http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/t...agreements-get-access-taxpayer-money-and-enri
     
  7. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The main question is then, is either side willing to take that risk; I say the Chinese, for the reason I gave prior, would be willing to take that risk, if for nothing else, cultural reasons.

    A good book that gives a hypothetical situation is "War Day" by Whitely Strieber (you may have already read it) where the US was caught off guard and a limited exchange took place. How it changed America is an eye opener.
     
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    I disagree. He is putting people in his cabinet that no more about how the global economy works than any career politician.
     
  9. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Barack Obama was an Illinois State Senator (1997–2004) and served as a U.S. Senator from Illinois (2005–2008) prior to becoming president. In both capacities he was involved in annual budgets and economic policy issues that dwarfed anything that Donald Trump has ever imagined.

    While a US Senator Obama served on the following committees:

    Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (110th Congress)
    Subcommittee on Children and Families
    Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety

    Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (110th Congress)
    Subcommittee on Investigations
    Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information and International Security
    Ad Hoc Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration

    United States Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

    Committee on Environment and Public Works (109th Congress)
    Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
    Subcommittee on Private Sector and Consumer Solutions to Global Warming and Wildlife Protection

    Committee on Foreign Relations
    Subcommittee on European Affairs (Chairman – 110th Congress)
    Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs
    Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
    Subcommittee on African Affairs
    Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection

    This is the type of experience in government that is a prerequisite to being president.


    So what does Donald Trump bring to the table?

    Four major bankruptcies where he was the self-appointed CEO of the corporations.
    The loss of almost a billion dollars in a single year.
    A fake university where he recently paid $25 million to settle lawsuits for fraud.
    At last count there were over 70 open lawsuits involving Donald Trump including a couple related to his presidential campaign. .

    Finally in just evaluating Donald Trump as a business executive:

    Donald Trump has none of the prerequisite experience to be the President of the United States and wasn't even a good corporate executive.

    It was really strange because many of Trump's supporters actually cited his lack of any prerequisite experience in government as a reason to vote for Trump. It's like they believed hiring the janitor to run things was a good idea.
     
  10. Toggle Almendro

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    Oh please. (My contempt is directed at China, not at you.)

    China has about 65 nuclear warheads that can reach the US. Admittedly 10 of those warheads are 5MT and could do some damage, but....

    We have somewhere between 400 and 450 ICBMs (we are in the process of reducing to 400, but are keeping the 50 empty silos ready to go and can easily put those 50 ICBMs back in their silo). We also have 300 three-warhead MIRV buses in storage from the Cold War. If we put those back, we'll have 900 MIRVed warheads on 300 ICBMs, and 150 single warheads on another 150 ICBMs. The MIRVs are heavy enough to reduce the range to just Russia, but we'd probably want to keep some guns trained on Russia in the event of a nuclear war, so not a problem that they can't reach China. All of our ICBM warheads are about one-third of a megaton.

    We have enough B-2 bombers to deploy 16 on nuclear missions. Each can carry 16 bombs. We can deploy up to about 40 nuclear bunker busters on our B-2s, and have more than enough one-megaton bombs to fill up all the rest of the slots.

    We have enough ALCMs to equip 66 B-52s with 20 ALCMs apiece. That's 1,320 ALCMs, each with a 150kt warhead.

    We have 14 nuclear missile submarines. There will always be two in drydock, leaving 12 to launch missiles. Currently we are reducing our subs to 20 missile tubes apiece. There may still be a few with 24, but since the work is almost done, for simplicity let's assume all now have 20. Each missile can be loaded with 8 warheads. 12x20x8=1,920 warheads that we can deploy on our subs. We have 384 half-megaton warheads for these missiles, and more than enough 100kt warheads to fill out the other 1,536 slots.

    That means with our currently constituted nuclear forces, we could attack China with 40 nuclear bunker busters, 216 one-megaton bombs, 384 half-megaton warheads, 150 one-third megaton warheads, 2,856 warheads in the 100-150kt range, and still have another 900 one-third megaton warheads aimed at Russia to ensure their good behavior.

    If China starts any real trouble with us, they are going to get a quick and unpleasant lesson in the difference between them and a superpower.
     
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    Jeez, now Toggle wants to take on Russia and China at the same time! :roll: You mind they don't give you 'a quick and unpleasant lesson', Toggle, because after all your swaggering on this forum you're really gonna feel stupid when (not 'if'?) they do.
     
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    Frankly, as long as we have enough time before the war to upload all of our active warheads onto their delivery vehicles, we have enough nukes to completely destroy Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran, and still have half our warheads left over to aim at the rest of the planet.

    We would not target Iran with nuclear weapons though so long as we believed that they were still adhering to the nuclear agreement.
     
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    And you think they'll just sit back while you nuke them do you? No, they'll join forces and nuke you - with extreme prejudice, and rightly so when it comes down to warmongering braggarts like you and certain other members. You obviously have some kind of death wish.
     
  14. Shiva_TD

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    Donald Trump has selected people that are good for corporations and investors but are bad for American workers. Examples:

    Secretary of Commerce - Wilbur Ross:. Ross is known as the "King of Bankruptcy" for his investments in failing corporations where he sold off assets, in some cases outsourced work to foreign countries, and cut employee compensation for the corporation generally by laying off workers.

    Department of Labor - Andy Puzder: Puzder is the CEO of CKE Restaurants, which includes the Carl’s Jr. fast food chain. Carl's Jr. pays it's typical hourly workers between $8-$10/hr according to Payscale.com and the United States already has more than enough workers earning $8-$10/hr that require federal welfare assistance just to pay their monthly bills and put food on the table.

    Corporations and investors are doing very well in today's US economy. It's the workers, where over 70% of America's non-government workforce are employed in the service sector, that are hurting because of under-compensation where they can't afford to live on what the employers are paying.

    Donald Trump isn't even focused on the problem when it comes to jobs in the United States. In 2014 there were 12.2 million jobs in manufacturing (projected to decline to 11.4 million by 2024) while there were 120 million jobs in the service sector (projected to increase to 130 million by 2024). Even if Trump can manage to keep 12.2 million Americans working in manufacturing (that he failed miserably to do with Carrier) it won't help the typical American worker one iota because they're in the service sector with tens of millions not earning enough to live on.

    https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm

    Two people that won't help the American workers would be Wilbur Ross as the Secretary of Commerce and Andy Puzder heading the Department of Labor.
     
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    That's OK. Our weapons systems are robust enough that no amount of damage that they can do to us will prevent our military from completely destroying them.
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    That's the best you can do, let's kill an old lady because she messed up her email?

    While meanwhile Trump is the poster boy for the toxic businessman, the type who makes his money by royally screwing everyone stupid enough to do business with him and only continues to attract people on the basis of inherited contacts and the knowledge that he will be saved from real harm because he's mobbed up.

    The naivete of some rightists in regard to their heroes is truly only matched by their vindictiveness to those seen as their enemies
     
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    Okay, just so long as you realise that you won't escape unscathed, and that your pre-emptive strike was worth the certain repercussions of it for yourself, your family and your countrymen. You probably haven't thought about that bit? :blankstare:
     
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    As I said to another member you'd also better join liberal labour camp, an honest day of hard work do you a lot of good. It will definite;y clear your mind. Hillary has been in politics all her life and her record is abysmal. As for DJT, you need to give him some time before you can judge him as a politician. We all know that Hillary is an abysmal failure on so many levels. As a mother, as a wife, as a politician etc...failure after failure.
     
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    I would suggest reading the following analysis of a nuclear war between the US and Russia.

    http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/

    There are no winners in a nuclear war.

    The GOP and Donald Trump have promised to withdraw the United States from the nuclear agreement between Iran and the UN Security Council. Iran has been in verified compliance with that agreement and key to ensuring that Iran remains in compliance is for the US to honor it's commitments to the agreement. Someone should let the GOP and Donald Trump in on that fact because they seem to be oblivious to it.
     
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    Because of right-wing Republican economic policies an "honest hard day's work" won't put food on the table for about 40 million American households.
     
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    That's beside the point. I've just recommend a therapy for all those mentally unstable liberals with psychological problems. Instead of crying, hugging, screaming, wailing etc...Liberal labour camps. Let them work, let them do some honest physical work...It will clear their minds. They will greatly benefit from it instead of wasting numerous hours of their time on internet forums crying.
     
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    Most Republicans wouldn't know hard work if it bit them on their fat behinds, and that goes double for honesty. They know nothing but how to slander others with no cause and the prime example of that is the years of baseless allegations and pure lies directed against a hardworking, intelligent and honest woman because she was all those things while daring to be a woman too.

    She shouldn't feel bad, I guess, nothing makes a conservative angrier than someone who rises above their stereotypes, they think it's impossible because none of them ever do, or even try.
     
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    What a joke. You're really deluding yourself. As I said earlier, she failed as a wife, she failed as a mother, she failed as a politician etc...The woman is a complete failure. If you idolise someone who has failed on so many levels than you've got a serious problem mate.
     
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    Trump is crazy like a FOX....

    Against all odds Trump made all of his detractors look like fools.

    He won in an electoral landslide.

    Now the liberals are trying to start world war 3

    with their FAKE NEWS to save face.

    liberals are so lame with all of their bs.

    Trump is inheriting one hell of a mess from obama.

    With each passing day, Trump with his concrete common

    sense solutions will show obama and the left for the fools they are.
     
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    Why is this an either/ or question. Believe the evidence is conclusive that he is both crazy and incredibly stupid.
     

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