Gun deaths in 2016

You suggest I keep a broomstick under the bed like you implied you do?
Let me think on that.

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Ummmm no. I'm keeping the gun

I won't be a victim. Thus the gun.

Okay I can understand your point here. I'd probably have to move because the carpet would be ruined once the criminals blood soaks into it.
I've never fired a 22 rifle into a man's face so I'm not sure how much blood splatter there would be on the walls. I'd probably lose my deposit too.

 

So you deny the reports regarding the number of people killed by incompetence in Australian hospitals?

As a self described Google master you should be able to clear up the issue.

I presented my evidence, you know the rules, please validate your claim.

Also, I don't see the number "58" anywhere in the New Scientist link. Perhaps you could indicate where you see that.

What I see from the first paragraph is: AS MANY as 14 000 people die in Australian hospitals each year as a result of mistakes by doctors and nurses, according to a government report. This means that preventable deaths in hospital are the third largest killer after heart disease and cancer. A further 25 000 to 30 000 people suffer some degree of permanent disability after treatment.

That's from 1995 for reference.

As far as the CDC link, please continue to ignore the facts and focus on the differences between the word "fishy" and "controversial". The meaning and the findings are no different based on the usage of a colloquialism.

The fact is, the CDC found that, even at the lowest number in all studies, guns prevent over 100,000 people becoming victims of violent crime.

I'll trade 100,000 lives of innocent people saved at the expense of the 10,000 killed preying on them.

 

Holy smokes! She really had a lot of places to hide in her apartment. It's like a maze in there.

I like how the guy (husband?) wanders out later scratching his belly and seems to ask "what with all the noise?"

 

Yeah, she hit those guys like a boss.

I'd love to see the broomstick/pee on yourself version for comparison.

 

If the family and friends of someone who has been killed in a justified act of self defense intend to pursue matters of revenge against the individual who was the intended victim, then a far more serious problem is present. Such a scenario would suggest these individuals are prone to being overcome by uncontrollable fits of homicidal rage against anyone and everyone who would harm one of their own, even if their own was the one who intended to commit the act of harm.

If such a mindset is present, the united states is far more dangerous than you would have others believe.

 

There are documented examples of what you claim do not happen, actually happening. What is your response then, when real life demonstrates that you do not know what you are talking about?

Firearms ownership is not about absolute guarantees. It is about increasing the odds in your favor.

You claim an alarm or a dog is better protection than a firearm. This is immediately after claiming that members of the criminal element are stalking and performing surveillance on their intended victims. If home invaders are indeed performing surveillance on their intended victims as you are claiming, they would know how to bypass your recommendations of alarms and dogs, rendering both suggestions useless.

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By the same logic, no police officer should ever carry a firearm, because they could lose control of the situation by adverse circumstances.

If firearms do nothing for private individuals but put them at greater risk of becoming victims, the same must apply to every individual that carries a firearm.

 

Assuming the alarm system is not disabled by the home intruders cutting power to the household, thus rendering it useless.

Which can be subdued through providing them with raw meat, causing them to forget their duties.

And pray tell how will they defend themselves, when you claim firearms are of no use in their own defense? What tools will they have available to them?

You mention an armed response, despite insisting that firearms are of no use in a defensive scenario. Pray tell exactly what are you attempting to say?

 

Except for when it will.

[video=youtube;DuhKCiY-lu0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0[/video]

Despite being at a significant tactical disadvantage, the homeowner managed to force four armed home invaders to flee the scene as soon as they were being fired upon.

How common were mass shootings in the nation of Australia, that semi-automatic firearms and pump-action shotguns, absolutely had to be prohibited from private ownership?

 

Because it has been documented as accurate.

That is because it has been proven, time and time again, that it is simply not physically possible to prevent criminal individuals from acquiring firearms in an illegal fashion, so long as they are left free in society where they can do the most harm. If they are not confined in a correctional facility, or dead, they can easily acquire a firearm through theft or an acquaintance, such as a family member being willing to do them a favor, despite it being illegal to do so.

The sentence structure of the above statement is atrocious. Pray tell exactly what point are you even attempting to make?

 

Nope!

They will go and find a softer target instead because they don't need to run unnecessary risks to get what they want.

 

Your ignorance of alarm systems is not my problem. They all have battery backup power and modern ones use cell phones to communicate with the monitoring stations.

Your ignorance of dogs is not my problem either. Unless the dogs are starving they won't be distracted from defending their own home. My dogs are trained to only eat when I give them permission and yes, this is very common practice for dog owners.

When did I say that I don't have any firearms? As far as defending themselves the first thing to do is to get out of harm's way. Ever tried climbing a spiral staircase with someone dropping bricks on your head from all different directions?

When an intruder sets off an alarm they are going to have to deal with a response from law enforcement if they are stupid enough to hang around that long. The majority of them run away as soon as the alarm is tripped because they know that is what happens next.

 

Your deflection to wildlife is duly noted and it is off topic.

Exactly how many petty burglars are going to expose themselves to bobcats, coyotes and dogs just to steal your laptop? There are much easier targets then your house so the odds of you ever needing a gun to defend yourself against an intruder are slim and none.

 

that's an interesting claim given 80% of the people murdered are felons. Lots of people killed by armed criminals are other armed criminals. and I live in a wealthy area and being a retired federal prosecutor, I am on really good terms with the cops. The cops are 5 minutes away from my home and in five minutes someone who breaks into my house could do lots of damage (assuming they get through the doors, past the dogs and past me-then they got to go upstairs and deal with my 18 year old how has a gun safe in his room. but many criminals have attacked people in homes with alarms

 

Ironic coming from those who demonstrate zero concern for the 30,000 sacrificed on the bloody NRA alter each and every year, some of whom are small children.

 

the guy in CT whose wife and two daughters were raped and burned to death apparently thought the same thing. My late' aunt's husband is a retired professor at Yale and a second cousin of mine (the niece of the professor) lives in that area too. Both of them knew the slain family and those people lived in a "nice area" with alarms in their home

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that's showing what I knew about you. You really don't care about public safety, you hate the politics of the NRA. to blame the NRA for that is like blaming kiddie Porn on the ACLU or black crime on the NAACP. Mexico has NO NRA and NO second amendment and tons of gun deaths. why should honest gun owners be responsible or feel guilt about people who choose to kill themselves (2/3rds of the gun deaths in the USA are suicides) and of the homicides 80%+ are felons killing other criminals

 

In other words you cannot come up with a response to a realistic scenario so you make up utter nonsense instead.

Have you ever been attacked by a dog guarding its own property? Do you know how dogs are trained? Have you ever tried to shoot at a moving target that is trying to attack you? Do you know what would happen if you tried to point a gun at a dog?

Obviously not or you wouldn't have posted that response.

 

2 - I think the defence thing has been used to justify ownership. But, from the small amount of exposure I've had to america and americans, guns seem to be as much an hobby/interest as anything else. I think the protection angle has hijacked the real reason for gun ownership which is more historical and cultural than "i want to protect my family"

4 - Rape, murder........I'm not saying it doesn't happen but America does appear a far more dangerous and brutal place to live. If i lived in the USA i'd be armed to the teeth - Just in case ;0)
Why would you break into someones house to rape them? Isn't that just making the rape over complicated?

 

Have you ever been shot in the face by a woman guarding hers?

 

Because if you're trying to rape me and you break into someone else's home I won't be there.

 

Deflecting because you can't answer the question?

BTW do you have any idea how small of a target a face is and how difficult it is to hit a small moving target?

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Thank you for proving my point.

 

I don't think you had a point, we get you hate the NRA. when I see that I know all the "evidence" about public safety is a facade

 

Are you asking me if I've ever seen a face before? Ummm you do know that there's people behind some of these internet accounts, right? We aren't all computer bots.

 

His point is it's better to protect your home by buying a dog, an alarm and the services of a security company instead of just shooting an intruder in the face with a gun.

I think he's trying to sign me up for one of those home security services. Either that or he's from PETA and he wants me to adopt a dog.

 

It would be her choice wouldn't it? (*)(*)(*)(*) happens??

 

Yeah your side loses again. Liberals are the ones who don't put killers in jail, and don't put people in jail when they attempt to illegally acquire firearms.

Keep playing your tiny violin, no one is falling for it.