MH-17, or Russia in a lie

So then at least Russia helps for local terrorists to attack and kill Ukrainians.

 

It is very simple.

Just declare as it is accepted in the international community that The flights are prohibited on Donetsk. Planes have to fly around the side of Donetsk.

In fact of the matter is that this is no big deal either for the President of Ukraine, or for pilots of civilian aircraft.

2) Donbas's government can not do it, because he has no international recognition and an international official.

 

..." ..to attack and kill Ukrainians.".... which go to the Donbas to kill the residents of Donbas.

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they are not terrorists. they are rebells as well as Americans to UK 200-50 years ago,
Americans killed British, British killed Americans, who were terrorists?Americans or British in 1812? nobody

 

They are terrorists! They shoot down the civilian plane. You know.

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Terrorists should be killed all.

 

may be they may be Ukraine, it is not clear up exactly yet. but anyway civilian plane was shot by mistake. terrorists do it deliberately

 

Russia deployed BUK missile system on Ukraine's soil. Do you think it was also mistake?

 

Russia deployed BUK missile system to rebells for other goals and Ukraine has extremly provoked rebells to the shooting down mh17-due to misinformation and the change track of the flight mh17-see map this page

 

But the crime is done. And Russia is directly or not directly responsible for this.

 

MAY BE - not directly but Ukraine is directly responsible for this

 

Do you really oversee the major difference of MH-17 issue to the Sibir Flight 1812 issue that make you telling this nonsense of Propaganda and comparing both?


Facts:
The US government announced that the launch of a rocket had been recorded at the time, a few minutes before the crash, probably of the S-200 type. The rocket had been launched by the Ukrainian navy during a maneuver.
The investigation of the accident revealed that a rocket of the S-300 system had destroyed the target drone, causing the other S-200 rocket, which was also targeting this drone, to search for a new target and to tap the Tupolev, thus making the new target. A representative of the St. Petersburg manufacturing plant said it was theoretically conceivable that a missile of the S-200 system would turn to a different target after the loss of the target contact if it had a large radar echo and would fly relatively slowly!
Ukraine's Defense Minister Oleksandr Kusmuk declared that the Ukrainian navy was doing a maneuver in the Black Sea, but it was impossible for the aircraft to be hit by a Ukrainian rocket.
Finally, on 13 October 2001, the Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma made a statement in which he spoke of a "coincidence of unfortunate circumstances" and accepted the preliminary results of the investigation commission. The Ukrainian Minister of Defense filed his resignation; He and two of his deputies were dismissed.
As a result of intergovernmental agreements, Ukraine paid $ 200,000 to the families of each of the 38 Russian and 40 Israeli victims.

So what was again your point please that you compare both issues here?

 

There are still telling people that the rebels had no Sam missiles which were able to shot down the MH-17 flight.

OK … following question to these peoples:

What shots down the Ukrainian Antonov’s AN-26 at altidude of 6,500 meter before please?

Manpod missiles you will say again as so often in the past? OK, facts:

Strela-2 aka SA-7 Grail has range of 5,200 meters … impossible!
Strela-3 aka SA-14 Gremlin has a range of 4,200 meters … impossible!
9K310 Igla-1 aka SA-16 Gimlet has a range of 4,200 meters … impossible!
9K38 Igla aka SA-18 Grouse has a range of 5,800 meters … impossible!
9K338 Igla-S aka SA-24 Grinch has a range of 6,000 meters … quite impossible!

Other missiles manpod type can not exist in inventory of rebels as those!

So … again: what shots down the AN-24?
Or is this suddenly also only Propaganda and the Ukraine did by their own to blame the Rebels … or do you try now to tell that AN-24 was flying deeper?

 

Putin said that the Russian army is not in Ukraine. There are Russian soldiers who came to Ukraine as tourists. Some soldiers came with tanks and BUKs, which rented, because they do not have cars.

 

tanks and BUKs have been rented by rebells for defence their land from Ukraine

 

Yes, something like that, I thought, and not otherwise.

 

And these terrorists knows how to use BUK without help of Russia. It's clear that Russian soldiers also was participating in shooting of the civilian plane.

 

for you- It's clear

 

Do you think that some farmers or mineworkers have skills how to use Buk system and to shoot down planes? [:

 

it is deal for few hours for a professional artilleryman if he has a manual in details, may you think it are no professional artillerymans in Donbass?

 

So, some farmers or mineworkers rented BUK and it is a deal for a few ours how to use it. [:

May be professionals artillerymen in Donbass. They are coming from Russia.

 

no, they have been lived there

 

again-BUK had been delivered not for shooting of the civilian plane.BUK had been delivered to rebells for shooting of ukro milinary CY-airplane. it's normal

 

Funny, how it is normal? You mean that it's normal for Canada - to deliver weapons to USA for shooting US airplanes?

 

Your words confirm the complete lack of logic in the thinking of Russian Nazis, dreaming again Ukraine back into Russia.

 

in case of war between Canada -@ USA -yes, read about the war 1812.
but it sample is not correct, correct- Quebec as rebell region against Canada. USA help Quebec for shooting Can milinary airplanes sure if Quebec has asked
it's incredible because we live in a civilized world,Canada will not bomb Quebec anyway as Ukraine has bombed Donbass but the parallel fits