Israel announces plan to create 2,500 settlements in Palestinian-controlled territory

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  1. Penrod

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    If it were really Palestinian controlled territory the Israelis couldnt build anything there
     
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    The Palestinians have a semblance of a government in the WB, which is why I called it "Palestinian controlled".
    Clearly, they have no capacity whatsoever to physically control the WB - they have no territorial sovereignty at all.
     
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    They have no right to it either
    Its disputed territory not Palestinian territory besides the fact that Palestinians are a made up peoples
     
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    Of course not. They are ex-Jordanians, abandoned by their state.
    If I were the Israelis, I would have made allies of the Jordanians (which they since have) and given the WB back -- but, because of the security concerns posed by the Palestinians. the Jordanians did not want it.
     
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    You 'laid out' nothing but the predictable hasbara cliches we have become immune to.
     
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    ... the truth.
    Every statement I made is, unquestionably and completely, factual.

    That you are immune to the truth says all that need be said.
     
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    Yes it does. Because it's only the opinion of Jordan that they annexed the West Bank. And who the hell is Jordan to claim what gets annexed by who when EVERY OTHER NATION says it's not annexed but occupied? Jordan is a nobody.

    Fact: the entire world says Jordan was at best only the occupier of the West Bank.
     
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    Sadly old chap, the world and international law disagrees with you-and Israel. Forgive me if I go with the majority. It might be worth reminding you that the laws being violated by Israel are the same laws which Israel agreed to abide by when becoming signatory to the UN Charter. Now, deny that fact.
     
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    That's just silly.
    Jordan annexed the WB under every definition of the word - your only augment against the fact they did so is "a bunch of people disagree".
    No one need agree to a fact for a fact to be a fact.

    Every statement I made is, unquestionably and completely, factual.
    That you are immune to the truth says all that need be said.
     
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    Under international law - a treaty between Jordan and Israel - the WB belongs to Israel.
    After that point, there is no controversy under international law.

    Your argumentum ad populum does not change any of the facts I have presented here.
     
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    No, Israel makes the laws of their own country.
     
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    No, those are your facts and not those of the United Nations, international law, the Geneva conventions and the countless resolutions condemning Israel for violating them.
     
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    Who cares what "the world" says. Nor does nation agree to abide votes of the UN when they join. You just made that up out of thin air, didn't you?
     
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    Negative.
    It is Jordans opinion that they annexed the WB.
    It is the opinion of ALL the other nations that Jordan is at best only occupying it.
    These are the facts.

    It really is too much to ask that the only opinion that matters is the opinion of Jordan.
    Jordan has not enough sway in claiming how it is. It's an irrelevant little country.
    It is especially irrelevant when there is a consensus by the rest of the world.
     
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    They are facts, period. They are not dependent on UN approval to exist as, or remain, fact.
    Your argumentum ad populum does not change any of the facts I have presented here.
     
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    The opinion of the entire world vs the opinion of Jordan if the land is annexed or occupied.
    It's exceptionally clear that Jordan's opinion is absolutely irrelevant.

    It's like hearing an infant whining in a stadium full of adults.
     
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    It does not matter how many times you repeat this - in every way shape of form, Jordan annexed the WB in 1950.
    This fact is independent of any opinion from the UN; the approval of the UN is not necessary for Jordan to have physically, factually and in actuality annexed the WB.

    You may continue to stand on your false premise; it remains false regardless how much weigh you put on it.
     
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    It does not matter how many times you repeat this.
    They only occupied it. There is a consensus about this.

    It is a fact that the entire world claim that Jordan only occupied the West Bank.
    Where it is a fact that just Jordan claims they annexed it.
    Jordans opinion is irrelevant vs the opinion of the entire world.

    I see absolutely no reason to parrot the opinion of Jordan, and ignore the opinion of every other single nation on this planet.
     
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    You may continue to stand on your false premise; it remains false regardless how much weigh you put on it.
     
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    There is nothing false about Jordan occupying the WB back in the day.
    In FACT the entire world agrees with me minus 1 little irrelevant country! lol
    It starts to be utterly pathetic to deny these facts.
     
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    You may continue to stand on your false premise; it remains false regardless how much weight you put on it.
     
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    Even Israel says the annexation did not happen, and Jordan only occupied it. That is a fact. A cold hard fact. And you may continue to stand on your false premise and deny the facts. But it's just utterly childish. Hence it's just utterly impossible for Jordan to hand over something to Israel, when Israel flat out says you do not have that to give. lol
     
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    Israel fully agrees that in response to Jordanian artillery attacks on Tel Aviv, Israel went to war with and invaded -Jordan- in 1967.
     
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    When did the UN Security council pass a resolution against the 1950 Jordanian annexation of the WB?
    What is the resolution number?
     
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