Sweden and Fake News

He described Trumpsters accurately. And you validated it by proclaiming your parochialism as a virtue.

Fear and ignorance are not virtues, even if Trumpster think they are.

 

Well you certainly aren't wasting YOUR TIME are you?

I will predict the republicans having a SUPER MAJORITY in the Senate after 2018!
Keep up the good work!

Steve

 

SO you have no actual evidence that anything has been suppressed but that very lack of evidence is your proof?

Okayyyy then

 

She was accurately pointing to a particular group of right wingers who care little about facts and are consumed by hatred and fear. That may be a little uncomfortable for those people and people who align with them but.....

 

Sweden isn't a rape capital... If other countries used the same definition of rape they'd have similar statistics as Sweden...

no, but it's much more reasonable than rape capital of the entire world. No... young men from africa and the middle east may be overrpresented in assault rapes, but assault rapes are just a minority of all rapes. western world does not have a shared definition of rape, so using national statistics is misleading. If you apply the swedish definition to the entire west, I doubt Sweden would have the most rapes, since Swedes are one of the most lawful peoples in the west.

an unfair comparison would be to compare belarus with belarussian standards, against sweden with swedish standards. Compare them both using the same standards and definitions, then you have a fair comparison.

Why are you ignoring that the very definition of rape has changed? The situation can be the same, and the number of rapes can rise, if you simply broaden the definition. Why is this so hard for many to understand?...

Sweden's public finances are in much, much better shape than the USA's, even when we're ruled by socialists and pursue costly immigration policies. Again, we have mere sawdust in our eyes and you have a plank. I don't Sweden has anything to learn regarding fiscal responsibility from america... Even our socialists have more discipline than either american party.

 

You're wasting your time. Many of the people who buy this nonsense and post it are defiantly and deliberately ignorant, and very proud of it!

 

Indeed the Swedes are, but we are not talking about Swedes, we are talking about non-Swedes in Sweden.
I agree that the differences in definition make comparisons difficult, but apparently such differences and changes do not account for all of the rises in incidents in Sweden.
I appreciate you recognised that immigrants were over-represented as perpetrators.

 

yeah i probably am...

if we are talking about wheter sweden is "rape capital of x", then we are talking about the country sweden, which includes ethnic swedes and immigrants. How a country compares to other countries, and how groups within a country compare to other groups within the same country, are two very different things.

my view is that the broadened definition of rape accounts for the majority of the rise, and that immigration accounts for a minority of the rise. Maybe if we were just looking at assault rapes, it would look very differently.. But anyways, the point is that people speak of rape as if it was only assault rape, but the majority of rape is in other forms. I think it's very obvious that immigration is tied to assault rapes.. Just look at cologne: It would literally never have happened without immigration.

 

Sure - I was referring to your comment that Swedes are law abiding.
I agree that Sweden on the whole remains one of the safest places to be on Earth. I am concerned that some particular areas within Sweden are not so pleasant anymore. I would expect those areas would be easy for most decent people to avoid...

Yep I agree that definition would account for the majority of the rise, which is unfortunate because we can't get a proper look at the underlying stats so there's no useable information.

I don't even know what an "assault rape" is compared to other forms of rape.

 

there are indeed "less pleasant" areas in sweden... poor areas where mostly immigrants from middle east and africa live, where gangs of unemployed youths throw stones at police and other public service, and start riots occasionally. Crime eminates from these areas, spreading to nearby areas, but most crime is done within these poor areas, by immigrants to other immigrants. So, there are small pockets which are very chaotic, but most of Sweden is not like that.

indeed, and it's annoying that Sweden doesn't keep any kind of records on ethnicity, so it has to be indirectly estimated, making direct comparisons harder.

i'm not an expert on law or rape, but afaik assault rapes are when the victim is, well, assaulted. as opposed to sleep-rape, or some kind of coercion rape, or drug rape (those are just terms i made up btw). I guess it's assault rape when there's violence involved.

 

I suspect that this is not accidental.They used to keep this data

 

I suspect that as well. Clearly there are large parts of the public which are interested in this information... and more information is always a good thing, right? A bit odd that they don't keep track of this particular kind of information...

 

I think we are witnessing the popular rejection of the alternative hypothesis: that the public should be given only such information as required for them to form the desired conclusions.

The PC regime leans towards tyranny.

In the long-run, I think we will see greater independence of the "information bureaucracy" to ensure data is not politicized.

 

Of course. I am just warning you that things can get very bad.

Consider my comments like those of an old junkie warning the kid who is about to snort his first line of heroin. You think you can handle it and quit any time you like. But it sneaks up on you.

You do have something to learn from the US, as a negative example.

 

yes.. self-annointed elites who have taken it as their duty to hide information from the unenlightened public so that they do not reach the 'wrong' conclusions. this has the opposite effect however... people aren't as stupid as the elites think. If elites to try hide that migrants are overrepresented, people will still find out. But because the people don't have access to the real information they might actually exagerate how overrepresented migrants are. So the elites have just been counter productive... It's always better to just put all information out there, unbiased, unfiltered.

 

Why does Sweden have to import Muslims?

 

It's called compassion.

And there has been no increase in rapes
From the previously shown BBC link


Reality Check verdict: Malmo, along with other urban centres in Sweden, has one of the highest levels of reported rapes in proportion to population in the EU, mainly due to the strictness of Swedish laws and how rape is recorded in the country.
The rate of reported rapes in Malmo has not dramatically risen in recent years and has in fact declined from its peak in 2010, before the recent large increases in refugees.

And of course no "terror attack in Sweden yesterday"

ALL of this is the kind of "fake news" we have become accustomed to from Trump and his supporters...what used to be called simply "lies"

 

Sweden has been known as the rape capital of the west for MANY months. The article I first read was Oct 2015 from the Daily Caller.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/s...its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/

Steve

 

That's your value. Maybe some Swedes don't share it and they don't want Muslims in their country but people like you force them anyway.

 

As they stopped collecting the data we are unable to determine whether sexual assaults by immigrants is rising. In 2011, when ethnicity data was last collected, a full 56% of rape was conducted by immigrants or first gen, who constitute less than 10% of the population.

From the data presented by the BBC, one can clearly see a substantial and consistent rise of 66% in the number of reported rapes in Sweden from 2006 to 2015, with only 2015 as a year of ANY decrease. This whilst the indigenous population growth is in decline. So, as the vast majority of immigrants are male, Swedish women must logically be targeted for rape much more often.

In relation to Malmo, the figures presented mysteriously change from gross figures to a ratio per capita. Now what is interesting about that is that most of the immigrants are going to these centres, so total number of rapes is in fact increasing with the same per-capita figures, and most of the immigrants are male, so the "rape burden" (ie rape per female) is also increasing. So even with the per capita figures being steady, it is more dangerous for women in Malmo than before.

There is fake news, and then there is doctored news. Spend some time in Russia and you'll learn some of these little tricks....

I'm sorry Lesh, but in peddling the lie that Trump said there was a terror attack in Sweden, you blew your credibility.

The irony of your following statement is tragic.

 

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything but the last thing the Swedes need is right wing alt right types speaking for them

 

WHAT? Rapes DECREASED from 2010 according to the source you're referencing.
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And claiming something to b true because you can't find any actual facts to support it is just short of insane


Oh and you'e claiming that Trump's babbling style protects him from that lie about "yesterday"?

"Look t what happened in Sweden yesterday" while pointing out a list of terror attacks...

I'd worry more about your own credibility

 

And maybe they don't want leftists speaking for them either. Have you polled the majority of Swedes on whether they want Muslims in their country? If not then you and people like you are forcing Muslim immigrants on them.

 

A. You WERE speaking for Swedes.
B. I was NOT

 

Sweden seems to be the subject of a lot of fake news (lies) lately.

From Mediamatters about Bill O'Liely and Fox

Fox News has been accused, yet again, of using deceptive tactics to fearmonger about refugees in Sweden.

On the February 23 edition of Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor, host Bill O’Reilly brought on a guest named Nils Bildt, who was introduced as “a Swedish defense and national security advisor,” to discuss Sweden’s refugee policies. During the segment, Bildt argued that Swedish authorities “are unable … to socially integrate” refugees, and claimed that, as a result, “There is a problem with socially deviant activity, there is a problem with crime, [and] there is a problem with areas or hotspots of crime” in Sweden. Bildt alleged that these “problems” are“not being openly and honestly discussed … because if you don't agree with the liberal, shall we say, common agenda, then you are viewed as an outsider or not even taken seriously.”


The Swedish Armed Forces, however, do not appear to know who Bildt is. According to a translation of an article in the Swedish outlet Göteborgs-Posten, the press secretary of the Swedish Armed Forces has said that they “do not know who [Bildt] is,” and that he is “definitely not a spokesman for the Armed Forces.” The translated Göteborgs-Posten article reported that Bildt currently lives in Japan.

O’Reilly’s characterization of Bildt as “a Swedish defense and national security adviser” is the latest deceptive attempt from Fox News to portray the refugee population in Sweden as deviant and “unable … to socially integrate.” Just two days earlier, on February 21, Fox host Tucker Carlson showed an interview between filmmaker Ami Horowitz and two Swedish police officers about the supposed surge in refugee violence in the country. After the segment ran, the officers featured in the interview were “shocked” by the deceptive editing of the interview, claimed they were not asked about immigration at all, and asserted “that their testimony had been taken out of context.”

Right-wing media have claimed that the Swedish government is “importing thousands of men from countries … that embrace rape for men as something that is acceptable” and that Swedish authorities “don't want to tell the world what is going on” with their refugee population, and have attempted to revive the fearmongering myth of Muslim “no-go zones” in Sweden.