Would you have used the atom bomb on Japan in WWII if you were Prez?

Yeah....if only they had you with them at the time. LOL

 

Nothing would change since Truman ordered the bombs dropped and ALL military leaders went along with it. You are arguing that many of military leaders deliberately committed what THEY believed was war crime atrocities, meaning who you claim back up your side were purely amoral sociopaths who obviously should have been allowed to make no decisions.

 

I guess you never spent a day in the military. You can pretend you are a military genius. You can pretend you knew more than Nimitz, lemay and all the rest. And we can just laugh at that notion. Works for me. Lol

 

So you claim we should have gone to nuclear war again China over Korea and Russia over the Berlin blockade as LeMay claimed. Why are you so in favor of nuclear war holocaust?

 

Let's discuss the 3rd crusade since you can not manage to stay on this discussion of ww2 Japan. This is derailing

 

So you are claiming you bringing up LeMay as a military expert neither of us dare question was you trying to derail your own thread?

 

Stick to ww2 Japan and the use of the bomb or you are derailing

 

Wouldn't want to set a precedent that it is ok to use them. Plus I want people to know as little about them as possible. I would just stick to carpet bombing, it has an equivalent death toll.

 

Lol. Ever heard of propaganda? The emperor had many reasons to lie and blame technology rather than the leadership. The facts of the situation, and behavior of Japanese leadership, make it very clear it wasn't the bombs. There weren't many cities left to destroy

 

No, that the "experts" you cite as your proof wanted to start nuclear WW3 twice is absolutely relevant.

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Every other city was left to destroy including Tokyo and only one of the two cities atomic bombed was destroyed.

I suppose you aren't the only person who for whatever reasons wanted the war to continue.

Does it annoy you that there has been no nuclear war nor any world war since? Not enough war deaths as there used to be in the world? It would seem that is your complaint in reality.

 

Very despicable hatred of the USA on this thread.

The world had been at war for years, millions upon millions dead and tens of thousands still dying every day. Germany would never surrender though knew they had lost for nearly 2 years and a million+ lives lost, many more having to invade and totally overrun Germany, with then great postwar suffering in a divided Germany. To the exact contrary, Japan and the Japanese did not have to be totally wiped out in invasion nor their country divided. Since the 2 atomic bombs, there has been no world war or major war between the great powers ever since and war deaths worldwide continue to decline overall.

Rather than celebrating this American and Allied victory, the ending of WW2 and millions of lives saved - then and since, the foulest and spoiled ungrateful anti-USA hatred is spewed out on this thread - mostly by so-called progressive Democrats - claiming that our ending the war and ending future world wars, stopping the slaughtering of the Chinese, stopping the deaths of Americans, Allies and the Japanese, the freeing of our own POWs would were being systematically tortured and murdered, to instead telling the most horrific lie calling President Truman and the American military genocidal mass murdering war criminals.

If you look at some of these members making this sick accusatory messages about the USA in WW2 also post on other threads you will see a constant theme of their outright hatred of the USA - thinking this proves they are clever.

All human and civil rights ordinary people have in the world were won by brave people exactly unlike those members who portray pure amorality in how they justify non-stop condemnations of the USA and Americans by lies, zippy pinhead backassward logic and total hypocrisy when their messages are put together. Their goal is to incessantly express hatred and condemnation of the USA at the core of their messages.

 

I suppose if you think rebombing cities that were more rubble than city would have made a difference. More of a difference than being imminently invaded on the soft western/northern flank by the other superpower..? no.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

No, it was clearly the soviet invasion that did it. Read the article I just reposted.

 

No America isn't evil and we basically were the good guys in wwii, but there is such a thing as being blinded to facts by propaganda and nationalism. And the right does seem more vulnerable to it. The use of atomic weapons and its morality is absolutely an appropriate thing to call into question. Sure, would have been worth it if it prevented the planned November invasion, but it did not and would not have without Soviet intervention. It would have required that we disable their defenses to the point that they did not think they could force better terms, not their cities. The cities were already destroyed. Stalin accomplished this because his invasion would have been unchecked and he would barely care if casualtues were high anyway. Stalin would simply have taken Japan and made it part of the ussr. Japan prevented this by surrendering. Forcing better terms was the goal because the people in charge in Japan only cared about their own skins and wanted to end the war long before it did, but only if they could keep their government. That hope became irrelevant when Stalin invaded.

wikipedia on Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945) (could not paste link for some reason)

 

Give me a break! Does you mortgage or car loan go up with inflation?

 

For some people the US is always right. ALWAYS. They can never be wrong. Their brain can not handle that idea. So no matter what we do they find a way to convince themselves it was the right thing to do. It is just so sad. It is why we repeat the same mistakes over and over. Some people just never learn

 

They did have a large number of troops in Manchuria - with no hope of getting them back to the mainland.
Aside from this, these troops had no capacity to affect the US bombing campaign, the US naval and air blockade of Japanese shipping, or Japan's inaccessibility to the natural resources necessary to continue the war.

 

According to the emperor:

Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects, or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

I don't see reference to the Russians. You?

 

You cannot prove this in any way.

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Japan was in no imminent danger of invasion by the Soviets - the USSR did not have the capacity to conduct an opposed invasion of Japan.

 

...and also I would question your maths. 4.34 billion in 1945 would have been worth 48.61 billion in 2006 (the year the last instalment of the loan was paid off).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)

At 11pm Trans-Baikal time on August 8, 1945, Soviet foreign minister Molotov informed Japanese ambassador Satō that the Soviet Union had declared war on the Empire of Japan, and that from August 9 the Soviet Government would consider itself to be at war with Japan.[8] At one minute past midnight Trans-Baikal time on August 9, 1945, the Soviets commenced their invasion simultaneously on three fronts to the east, west and north of Manchuria. The operation was subdivided into smaller operational and tactical parts:

The Japanese offered their surrender to the allies on the morning of August 10 - roughly 24 hours after the commencement of hostilities with the Soviets; the decision to do so was made at 0200 hours on August 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

Thus, the claim that "Japan's leaders were impacted more by the swift and devastating Soviet victories on the mainland in the week following Joseph Stalin's August 8 declaration of war" cannot hold any water.

 

Only a true hater of the USA would call the USA ending WW2 without invasion and destruction of Japan and the millions dead from it - as happened with Germany - an act of "genocide and mass murdering war crime."

Unfortunately, many people are perfectly spoiled and so non-appreciative of what other sacrificed for them, indoctrinated by radical left wing socialists like the are little children being indoctrinated to hate the USA and their own country. This rabid hatred of the USA is so intense they will tell any lie, make up any facts, and present any contradictory or absurd logic in support of that hatred.

 

It was not "the Japanese" who surrendered, but specifically the Emperor - and he specifically stated it was because the atom bomb threatened the "extinction" of the Japanese people.

There was not an unlimited time to WAIT for Japan to surrender. The military had no intentions of surrendering - ever - and were bent on removing the Emperor to prevent it.

"he Kyūjō incident (宮城事件 Kyūjō Jiken?) was an attempted military coup d'état in Japan at the end of the Second World War. It happened on the night of 14–15 August 1945, just before the announcement of Japan's surrender to the Allies. The coup was attempted by the Staff Office of the Ministry of War of Japan and many from the Imperial Guard of Japan to stop the move to surrender.
The officers killed Lieutenant General Takeshi Mori of the First Imperial Guards Division and attempted to counterfeit an order to the effect of occupying the Tokyo Imperial Palace (Kyūj&#333. They attempted to place the Emperor under house arrest, using the 2nd Brigade Imperial Guard Infantry. They failed to persuade the Eastern District Army and the high command of the Imperial Japanese Army to move forward with the action. Due to their failure to convince the remaining army to oust the Imperial House of Japan, they ultimately committed suicide. As a result, the communiqué of the intent for a Japanese surrender continued as planned."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident

 

Regardless, the decision to offer the surrender of the Japanese government, military and people was made roughly 24 hours after the engagement of the Japanese military by Soviet military

This dispels the proffered myth that "Japan's leaders were impacted more by the swift and devastating Soviet victories on the mainland in the week following Joseph Stalin's August 8 declaration of war", thereby prompting their surrender.

 

The war would have continued but the American casualties would have been minor because we would just be fire bombing their cities until they surrendered.

But we didn't know that back then. And we got close to nuclear war several times. Also we needed to keep these weapons as hidden as possible to prevent copycats.

We handled this situation so badly, using the nukes and setting a precedent that it sometimes ok to use them, making it public that we had them, and then allowing our technology to be stolen by the Russians. In only 4 years there was a nuclear cold war.

 

Only someone without any sense of decency would refuse to wait TWO WEEKS and insist on destroying two cities just to make a point. Only those who hate what america really stands for would applaud that