Would you have used the atom bomb on Japan in WWII if you were Prez?

And you would use them in a dozen conflicts....unless you hate America and don't want to save American lives.....you don't hate America....do you?

 

You also again indicate having no clue of the difference between those two atom bombs and nuclear bombs.

 

Nuclear bombs would not save American lives? I mean do you hate American soldiers? Do you hate America? God bless Merica!

 

We have never been at war with Grenada, Somalia or Syria. That is just more ignorance in your messages. I would not have militarily involved in Vietnam, Korea, Yugoslovia, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria. I would not have required Japan to have no military and would not have made a military alliance with Japan, which is what lead to the Korean war. Nor would I have claimed that Taiwan was the true China meaning I would have taken no side in the Chinese civil war that resulted in turning China into an adversary.

 

OH....you just hate freedom. Got it

 

Once again you concede the next topic by having no response.

 

(*Sigh!*) By mid-August 1945, the United States Navy consisted of 6,536 vessels (not counting 232 submarines). Link: https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/us-ship-force-levels.html

And, yes, there was a Soviet Navy, consisting of many battle cruisers, battleships, transport ships, freighters, etc. Exact numbers by 1945 are difficult to locate, but you might like to do that in order to back up your claim that it is "laughable" to assert that the Soviet Union could not have sent troops to Japan even using its own naval vessels, if that's all that was available. Again, all they'd have had to do is mount a "token" invasion force and then Stalin could have made a perfectly legitimate claim to getting a huge amount of Japanese territory for the Soviet Union -- just like he did throughout Eastern Europe and Germany!

Like I've said several times, practically speaking, the U. S. would have been compelled to assist its wonderful ally, the Soviet Union, in a collaboration of forces to mount a land invasion of the Japanese homeland. And, that would necessarily have involved the use of at least some of our 6,536 naval vessels.

Truman circumvented the whole thorny business by using the atomic bombs. For the last time, had I been in the White House, I'd have done exactly what Truman did versus the Japanese in 1945. I would have handled post-war Europe in an ENTIRELY different way, but that is "meat for a different feast"....

. "Hey, I got it 50% right! For a Democrat, that's pretty damned good!"

 

Look if you hate freedom and hate americans that's on you. In fact it was your point to me for most of this thread. LOL

 

There is no chance Russia was going to invade Japan. Zero. Not even a token invasion. The very thought is laughable

 

You provide no (NO) substantiation or proof for your contention. Not worth even trying to have an exchange of ideas with, because, clearly, you don't have any on this topic. I'd have more luck putting water in a bucket that has holes in the bottom.

 

It has already been posted. We know how many ships they had before the war. They had no chance of a invasion at that point. Certainly not by the end of the war. It would have been impossible. What was the name of the planned russian invasion? LOL

 

Ah. Another poster sees the light.

 

Please tell us of this planned russian invasion of Japan. This should be great!

 

The Soviets would/could have used our ships. What justification would there have been for refusing them...? After all, they were our wonderful allies!

Besides, the Germans didn't conduct submarine warfare to any great extent against the Soviets. They knew that Stalin's Soviet Union didn't have "a pot or a window", so targeting Soviet shipping would have been a complete waste of missions and torpedoes. The Germans were interested in sinking allied shipping which was taking huge amounts of aid and materiel TO the Soviet Union and Britain using the North Atlantic sea lanes. And as I pointed out (but you totally ignored), in August 1945 we had 6,536 naval vessels at our disposal, not counting our submarines....

Oh, I'll add one other often-neglected fact about WWII... the most important series of battles of the entire war, fought ANYWHERE, was STALINGRAD! That was where and when the mighty Wehrmacht had its back broken! It's true... everything else was relatively 'small potatoes' compared to Stalingrad, so, yes, after winning that crucially important battle the Soviets would have been completely justified in asking for America's support in an invasion of the Japanese homeland. And Stalin never was shy about asking for help he needed....

 

Wait....we would have supplied Russia with ships for an invasion and then complained that they now have a stake in Japan? What? How about just waiting a few weeks and let Japan surrender with the one condition they got which is what the military leaders recommended?

 

Operational necessity - we need them.
Unwillingness to place US servicemen under Soviet command
Lack of interoperability between US and Soviet equipment, especially command and control.

 

You may be right! Hell, I don't know everything. We had already bombed the living hell out of Japan using B-29 Superfortress aircraft, and the firebombing of Tokyo alone should have brought the Japanese begging to surrender. They didn't. Dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima should have really brought the Japanese begging to surrender. They didn't. So, we dropped an even bigger, second atomic bomb on Nagasaki, and then they finally surrendered.

I'm not happy about it, and I don't think that any sane person could be. But, given the circumstances, overall, I'd have done the same things that Truman did. Just my opinion.

Look. I lived in Japan for two years. I have very great admiration and respect for the Japanese, their culture, their history, their intelligence, their work ethic, and many other aspects of these remarkable people. I'm convinced that the U. S. and Great Britain deliberately goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor and starting a war, basically in their own SELF DEFENSE.

FDR and Churchill cut off all raw materials and oil supplies to Japan months BEFORE Pearl Harbor in an attempt to provoke them -- knowing that the Japanese alliance with Germany would create a situation where the U. S. was finally dragged into the European war. THAT was what FDR and Churchill REALLY wanted, and the ploy worked. We were completely at PEACE with Japan when we cut them off. What the hell did we think they were going to do?

Everything about WWII stinks! Nobody is innocent. That is war. But once you're in a war, there's only one course for you -- and that's to WIN the damned thing.... Now, I'm done. Have a great rest of your day.

 

If the Japanese cease their war against and then withdraw from China,, what happens to the US embargo?

 

That would be the long and short of it.

The Allies did not allow the National Socialists to remain in power in Germany, and for good reason. They applied the same standards to Japan. The Japanese government had to step down, just as the National Socialists did.

 

You just don't get it: The Japanese government had no intention of surrendering. Even after the first nuclear device was used, the Japanese government still refused to surrender. It took a second nuclear device to compel the Japanese government to give up, and it was another six days later, before they finally did. A third nuclear weapon was intended for use on August 19, 1945, but fortunately for the Japanese people, their government ultimately surrendered.

 

uh.....we did not have a third bomb. LOL

 

Elements of the Japanese military actually invaded the Imperial Palace to seize the Emperor and the recorded surrender message to stop it from being broadcast. The surrender of Japan was a close thing - even after 2 nuclear bombs had been dropped.

 

We did not have a 3rd bomb, but had the material to make one and have it delivered within about 3 weeks. If Japan still had not surrendered, particularly if the military did seize the Emperor, that 3rd target was Tokyo, we would have ramped up producing the material for more bombs. The estimate was that we could build 25 more same-size atom bombs over a period of about 1 year.

However, we had convinced the Emperor that we had hundreds of atom bombs and if he did not surrender after the 2nd bomb, we were going to pursue the total obliteration of Japan and the Japanese people. The Emperor cited that exact reason as THE reason he surrendered, to avoid the "extinction" of the Japanese.

 

And you KNOW that...how? Your posts are full of empty conjecture and woefully short on facts or information beyond your unfounded opinions....

 

Oh please....really? Are you kidding. This stuff is all declassified now

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I think you would have dropped all 25 if you didn't get your surrender fast enough.