OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

Okay...I disagree, Expat.

All I see is an unsubstantiated assertion you are making for which I see no unambiguous evidence whatsoever.

But occasionally, I miss things...so I am willing to listen to what you have to substantiate that some forms of our individual existences..."interact with others beyond space/time even after physical death."

I certainly will consider what you offer.

 

By "invisible" pink unicorns...apparently you mean pink equine animals with a single horn jutting out from their forehead...that are not visible to human eyes.

How do you know such animals do not exist except in people's imaginations?

How extensively have you traveled in this universe to make such a statement?

 

You are speaking about the brain.

 

Again those come from your brain. Look there for them.

 

Since you didn't comment on this part of my post...

...am I to assume your are in agreement?

Generally Neurons. Specifically to the wilful finger movement - the conscious part of my brain.

Ask a neurologist.

My brain.

Let's not stray too far. We were discussing...

I pointed out that manifesting thoughts into physical reality required a physical connection.

At this point in time, because I am adressing your questions.

I disagree.

Regarding - "that somehow formed" - the answer is biology and nature.

Again, you are straying.

I do realize that my body is made up of atoms. I do realize that there is enormous "empty space" between atoms. I also realize that my body can travel from here to the moon and beyond through all that empty space. Yet, I cannot push my "empty space" right finger through my "empty space" skull. So, yes, my brain is physically connected to my finger. My brain is not physically connected to the moon.

 

That is true. I was only pointing out one of the most ludicrous claims.

You are saying that the burden of proof for every claim in the Bible (eg parting of the red sea) is on those who support that claim. I agree. Since that has not been done, we are correct in taking the Bible to be myth and folklore.

 

If we had the same level of evidence for deities that we have for supermassive black holes, we would not have nearly the number of skeptics about deities existing.

 

Sorry but the opening thread was not posted by an atheist.

 

No the athiest position is based on an overwhelming lack of evidence for the existance of god. If there was any actual evidence belief in god would not have to be based on faith.

 

That should be a separate thread since the question of existence after death is not really related to religion.

 

I doubt that any math book ever said that sounds more like probability not random numbers

I agree completely that it is possible that gods exist just as it is possible that no gods exist. That is not under discussion. What is under discussion is your attempt at giving both possibilities equal probability. I assume you can appreciate the difference.

 

Great!

Err, what exactly is it that you're disagreeing with? Somehow I can't believe you're saying any of the following:

• Our "individual existence" does not have more than one form (definition: visible shape or configuration of something).
• None of our shapes or configurations can be visible after our physical death nor can they interact w/ others.
  
• All of our shapes and configurations are visible after our physical death and can interact w/ others.

So please tell me what I'm missing.

 

To make the claim you have put forth, please provide some physical evidence of the actual existence of this Jesus (not the name he was said to be known by in his alleged own time) or at least some first hand written evidence of him, perhaps some relics.

If you do this, perhaps you would have more potential to be taken seriously.

 

--and even though you've not read every single math book ever written, you still have confidence that this something you've not actually checked is in fact the case.

Here is the common definition of the word "faith" that most people use:

faith
fāTH/
noun: faith

1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction

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As far as my math book goes, I remember reading the reference to faith and I remember showing it to others. Don't worry, I won't invite them here to confirm my memory because I don't want to be accused of viciously attacking your faith.

 

You are right, Jester, a blind guess that there is a god...is based on nothing more than faith.

So too, however, is a blind guess that there are no gods. That guess also is based on nothing more than faith...although there are people who try to pretend it is based evidence.

I might add, the blind guess that it is more probable that there are no gods than that there are...also is based on nothing but faith.

That clears that up.

 

It is a related topic...and is something that Expat and I are discussing. If you do not want to discuss it...pass it by.

 

I defy you to show me the math that makes the "probability" of one higher or lower than the other.

But if you are just talking about your "belief system" and the blind guesswork that goes into it...no problem.

Just let me know that is what you are doing.

 

I disagree with the entirety of what you wrote, Expat.

I disagree that "we see our "individual existence" has many forms, some cease at physical death and some forms interact with others beyond space/time even after physical death."

 

For me the correct position is neutrality in the absence of irrefutable proof to the positive or the negative.

 

Faith does have two definitions. That's something religionists choose to ignore when it suits their purpose.

faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
   synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine
   

 

My atheist position is based on the overwhelming evidence supporting the concept that all religions and all gods are the creations of man's imaginings.

 

"Faith" based on studies of probability.

 

If there is a god...(we do not know if there are or not)...then that god IS NOT A CREATION OF MAN'S IMAGINATION.

It all goes back to the one thing you seem unable to acknowledge, Ecco. We do not know if gods exist or not. But I enjoy the blind guesses of atheists on the question as much as I do the blind guesses of theists.

 

When you think about buying a car, do you wait for "irrefutable proof" of which is the best one?
When you think about buying a house, do you wait for "irrefutable proof" of which is the best one?
"Irrefutable proof" only works for relatively simple mathematics.

 

Strawman argument as we are not talking about cars nor houses.