OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

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  1. Vegas giants

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    When you refer to things that have no evidence of existence (mind, soul, god) you are no better than when I refer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pasta be with you.
     
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    Ah yes, a false equivalence using two different common definitions for the word "faith". How clever.
     
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    Yes even Dawks is open-minded enough to say-

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    The point being that this entire conversation is a product of human imagination as is God....thus does my commentary derive from the same source as God and that source requires me to leave the quality open that allowed it all to transpire.

    Just as I leave my mind open to advanced alien life in the Universe, I leave open the possibility there is something out there that could be considered "God"...hell for all I know they are the same thing.
     
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    The question of the true nature of the REALITY of existence is probably not answerable by humans, Ecco.

    To suppose YOU can determine if gods exist or not...is silly.

    IT is possible gods exist...it also is possible no gods exist.

    But, if your blind guess that there are no gods comforts you...continue with it. It does not harm me in any way if you do.

    I feel that way about the people who are comforted by "believing" that a god exists also.
     
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    Bottom line...he described himself as an agnostic...and specifically rejected the descriptor "atheist."

    Albert Einstein did the same thing.

    If you want to "believe" they did it because they were afraid to use the term...knock yourself out.

    I don't think they were.
     
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  8. Frank

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    So you are suggesting there is a god who prefers people who make a blind guess that there are no gods to people who acknowledge that there may be gods.

    Okay.

    That cool.

    And not a lot dumber than making a blind guess and pretending it is based on facts.

    We're good.
     
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    Why?

    You recognize that the concept of gods is the creation of man's imaginings. You accept that most gods are the creation of man's imaginings. Why do you have a need to cling to the hope that there is something out there that could be considered "God"?
    Man created gods to explain, among other things, the cause of thunder - GodDidIt; the creation of the earth - GodDidIt.

    What unexplained mystery do you need an explanation for?




    No. We are highly advanced compared to ants but we are not gods.
     
  10. ecco

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    Not at all. I posted a cartoon ridiculing agnostics.
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  11. Frank

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    An atheist ridiculing an agnostic about his philosophy is like Chris Christie ridiculing George Clooney about his weight.
     
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    You and I think differently. I do not "Hope" for or "Need" a God entity. I simply leave open possibility as that is the way my mind functions.

    I fully believe that science offers the best explanations in everything from Evolution and the Big Bang to disease and climate change....yet this does not mean I "know" these things are all there is to explain things and that further exploration will offer additional data as it always has. Perhaps in the future we will meet other beings who explain the great and powerful Zingets from Universe 14 created this one from quantum foam.....who knows.

    I do not know...but I do know the Sky Fairies we humans made up ain't it.
     
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    The breakdown had it to a couple of words at a time, so somehow I'm not sure how we could discuss this at only one word or one letter at a time.

    Tx, it's been fun; cheers.
     
  14. ecco

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    To the inexplicable, The Ancients said: GodDidIt.
    To the inexplicable, tecoyah says: MaybeThere'sAGodWhoDidIt.

    Further exploration in the past has always resulted in: GodDidn'tDoIt.
     
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    You have made an assertion that cannot in any way be substantiated...and now you are mocking me for asking for substantiation?

    That makes no sense.

    Why not actually try to have a reasonable discussion?

    We can, if you feel more comfortable with it, put aside that assertion of yours...and deal a comment of mine. Here it is...and it pretty much sums up my position on the question of whether or not gods exist:



    Take it as a whole or take it in pieces.

    Let's discuss you disagreements...and your agreements.
     
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    oh contrare.... I have stated one definition of Faith. It applies to both accurately.
     
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    how carnal...
     
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    Your reading comprehension skills could do with improvement :)
     
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    Facts are based upon irrefutable proof. What do you base facts upon if other than irrefutable proof?
     
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    You are per usual making a false comparison since god is assumed by those who believe to be present in the human rhelm while life on other planets is just that, on other planets. Now if you are postulating a god that has no interaction with humans Then you might have a valid comparison but in that case god would be irrelevant anyway.

    But life and gods on other planets is an interesting speculation since I guess that life would have to look just like us since we are made in god's image. Or maybe different gods for different planets which begs the all powerful god attribute.
     
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    I am not belittling you just belittling your claim to know what anomals think. Here is your statement:

    " It's funny, We see evidence all around us. Where does the notion of justice come from? Why do we have this drive to know where we came from? Why do we look at the stars and wonder what they are doing? Animals don't do this. They get hungry, they get tired, they have much of the same appetites we do. Go ahead....explain it all away. I contend you do so by faith. You have no evidence. You just seem content to belittle my faith as if yours is supreme. I am, however content in knowing, someday we'll find out."

    And i guess by your last statement that you believe the only difference between man and animals is man's ability to believe in god which is truly absurd.
     
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    I am not making a false comparison.

    What you are doing is to deflect.

    You asserted that since there is no evidence of a god (which may be completely false)...it is more probable that there are no gods than that there are.

    It is a totally illogical conclusion...and I explained why..

    I do reiterate, though, that if you blind guess that there are no gods gives you comfort...please by all means indulge in it.
     
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    You seem to keep insisting that the athiest position that there is no god is just a guess. It may be an assumption based on an overwhelming preponderance of evidence but it certainly is not a guess based on an equal probability of a yes or no answer.

    Would you say that stating the Easter Bunny doesn't exist is just a guess?
     
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    No I am not deflecting unless your assumption is that god has no contact or influence over man. And on that basis you can postulate anything and it cannot be proven false since no evidence either way is possible. And then you say that the fact that there is no evidence of a god may be false and yet you seem totally unable to provide any such evidence. Probably because you are inable to define what is meant by a god so when there is no definition there can be no evidence either for or against.

    The god I refer to has attributes like all powerful, all knowing, cares about mankind, etc etc. you know the normal Christian attributes. Now if you have a different definition that you think has evidence to support that definition of god have at it.
     
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    You are partially correct. My reading comprehension skills do suffer when trying to comprehend the writings of someone who posits woo. But let's see if I got the gist of what your were trying to communicate.

    Since a person can move his finger by thinking about it, at some futuristic time a person will be able to move a rock on the moon by thinking about it. This is possible because all the connections between the brain and the finger are atoms and there are atoms between here and the moon.
    Is that about right?
     

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