The Pernicious Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun

No you need to think this through,I have several time used a good metric to show the basic picture,but still you people don't understand. Maybe this presentation will help you, in it you will see why Per capita is a credible measure.

The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries

"10/12/2015Ryan McMaken

Much of the political thinking about violence in the United States comes from unfavorable comparisons between the United States and a series of cherry-picked countries with lower murder rates and with fewer guns per capita. We’ve all seen it many times. The United States, with a murder rate of approximately 5 per 100,000 is compared to a variety of Western and Central European countries (also sometimes Japan) with murder rates often below 1 per 100,000. This is, in turn, supposed to fill Americans with a sense of shame and illustrate that the United States should be regarded as some sort of pariah nation because of its murder rate.

Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan."

LINK to the rest

 

No country is exactly like any other. But we share far more with first world nations than any other nations on the planet

 

Give it 10 years and they won't be able to use Europe as an example anymore.

 

And the plan for that is.....ignore it?

 

well we certainly know that the thing that DOESN'T work is harassing legal gun owners-especially those who don't live in those Democrat party run cesspools of crime. Years ago, right after the GOP took control of the Congress after the Clinton gun bans caused a mass destruction of the DNC, a hearing was held by one of the congressional committees that apparently had been scheduled before the election. By then Helen Chenoweth (RIP) one of the most pro gun rights women to every hold a congressional seat, was on the committee. Some BM doctor was testifying about how bad guns were based on his studies. the dems like Schumer were lapping it up but when it came time for Chenoweth to question the witness, she asked a simple straight question

Doctor, did your study involve anyone other than black urban dwellers?

dead silence

Doctor-did your study involve whites?

Dead silence

then sputtering-NO

HC: then why should the rights of my constituents (Idaho) be curtailed based on the criminal behavior of people living in Democratic controlled areas?

complete and total destruction

 

It is obvious you didn't read the link.

 

And you have obviously missed the point

 

Of course, it's a statistical fact but the conclusion you're trying to lead people to is unjustified. You need to remove confounding factors from the picture as much as possible in order to reach any valid conclusions about the relationship between guns and homicide.

 

Vegas is right. To reach the most accurate conclusions about guns and homicides, you need to narrow it down to the most common denominator. In the case of gun violence, the most common denominator is zip codes.

 

Zip codes are not the best geographic grouping for analysis. They are used to denote groupings of postal end delivery points, and nothing else. They certainly do not provide for comparable population variables. Nor does the post office maintain them as geographic boundaries.
A better grouping is using census boundaries that are defined with close equivanent population sizes as are the more granular census tracts and blocks, with each level of the hierarchy having units of equal population. Further, the census bureau provides information collected in the census such as household size, economic and other information using their boundaries. Then too, nearly every city, county and state use census boundary identifiers encoded in their record systems to enable a broad range of data to be used in geographic analysis where data can be analyzed against population densities. Virtually all that data, from the Census Bureau, and the public sector is available publicly and software is available, both commercially and open source that can be used for statistical geographic analysis.

 

And pray tell, exactly what is the relationship between firearms and homicide? How is this relationship affected by homicides that do not, in any way, involve firearms? How is the relationship affected when a specific type of firearm is used the least often in the commission of a homicide, as opposed to a non-firearm?

 

Then you have no counterargument to offer against the standard PER CAPITA method. I didn't realize there are different levels of being dead,maybe you can expand on this for the rest of us?

Confounding factors, doesn't change the fact of reported homicides,since they ARE reported,they exist to be examined.

Several times now,I have pointed out that despite the massive increase in firearms ownership, along with huge surge in concealed carry permits and recently open carry becoming more common, America homicide rates went DOWN!

You and others have yet to address the undeniable downward incidence of homicide over the last few decades.

 

The most accurate statistical data is created by using the largest N (number) possible to compare groups. Compare comparable countries and the answer is obvious

 

Per capita data among comparable countries shows how our gun laws are a miserable failure

 

Except there are no comparable countries to the US.

 

Ha ha ha,

Still no counterpoint for the rest of us to follow. Just another opinion is all you can muster?

You need to read up some American history, since you have no idea what made "gun Laws" a failure in the first place. HINT: Criminals are not in the habit to observe laws.............., here is a telling chart, to hopefully provoke rational thinking:



LINK background for the Chart

Hint: The Drug Enforcement stupidity that spawns corruption,arms race in the underworld and deaths. How come people overlook a major engine to homicide?

Hint: vast majority of Homicide are in the big cities,especially those run by Democrats,and their anti-gun laws they enact.

 

The idea that guns are suddenly a problem is hilarious. And that gun deaths happen in big cities.....shocker

 

It is clear that you overlook something so obvious in the chart, it is a common problem Liberals seem to have these days. The chart show that MORE Gun Laws, INCREASE homicide rates. Criminals do not observe Gun Free Zones, Does shoot people who are innocent victims, Does commit all kinds of crimes with weapons. Organized crime corrupt law enforcement and Politicians. Gun Laws only work on those already law abiding citizens,who wouldn't do that in the first place. This is why Anti-Gun Laws never work well, through American history.

Back in the 1800's anyone of responsible age, could own and carry guns, There were NO gun laws back then but the homicide rate was LOW........

 

Here is a humorous way to show WHY Gun Free Zones are idiotic:

Gun Free Zones - 1/2 Hour News Hour

 

Now that is hilarious. The 1800's? Brilliant. I love it. Your statistical analysis is ridiculous. Why does every other first world nation with gun control have far fewer gun deaths per capita?

 

Should you be able to bring your AR15 on a plane? Lol

 

Here it is folks, No evidence presented,just more opinions is all.

I have already showed evidence that America despite having more guns per capita on earth, are NOT in the top 100 nation of Per Capita homicide rate. You offered ZERO rebuttal to this reality.

He badmouths my NO gun law point of the 1800's,with the corresponding low homicide rate,while I backed it up with evidence. You offered ZERO rebuttal to this reality.

He also didn't address this either,as it is THE biggest point of all:

"It is clear that you overlook something so obvious in the chart, it is a common problem Liberals seem to have these days. The chart show that MORE Gun Laws, INCREASE homicide rates."

 

You compared us to Yemen. Yemen!! That is hilarious. Try any other first world country. Pick one. Lol

 

It is clear this person has no counterpoint to my comments. He instead post a very RED herring silliness:

"A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion."

LINK to the definition

You amazingly missed the obvious point of the Video. How old are you?

 

Wow, some people have really low standards. As long as the US has a lower murder rate than some place like Yemen then everything must fine..... lol.