Obamacare: Democrats own it, it's on you! Fix it!!

No, you will keep losing. If the GOP (and the Democrats) get bills passed that ease the costs of healthcare and reduce taxes for everyone, then we all win. Having everyone keep losing isn't the way forward.

ACA was a disaster from the get go and it never should have been passed in the current form. It should have been openly debated with all of the actual facts on the table. Not the lies Obama sold to the people and not the lied the Democrat party supported.

This bill Ryan tried to pass may not have been a good replacement so they really need to go back to the drawing board and start finding a replacement. Maybe just repeal it. Then force everyone to work on a replacement.

 

If you don't want a government policy then we basically go back to before Obamacare when 50 million people were uninsured and many more were dropping out because $15,000 in premiums is unaffordable for many families. Those who dropped out tended to drop out tended to be young and healthy since they didn't see the need for such outrageous premiums. This resulted in those who remained being older and sicker which means that premiums per person got even more expensive because the average person remaining was sicker and more expensive. Our healthcare system was collapsing before our very eyes and Obamacare reversed that. I just don't understand why you believe in changes that will uninsure 25 million people and keeping a healthcare system that costs $10,000 per man, woman, and child when healthcare in every other developed country costs $3,000 per person and isn't increasing in cost at extreme rates.

 

I can't get on board with this, if the meds include opiates. The risk of accidental OD is too high.

However, I do believe it is hight time, (pun incidental) to reclassify cannabis, & at least decriminilize @ the national level.

Not addressing any of the base costs of treatments, equipment/devices, torts, & not allowing shopping across state lines, makes any attempt to nationalize healthcare a futile task at best.

 

The issue at the center of the health care debate, is health care costs. Prescription drug costs, and doctors salaries specifically. Dr.'s educations costs can be staggering, so naturally that plays a roll in salary needs. But frankly, Dr.'s expect to be millionaires by 35. Taxpayers could pay off Dr.'s student loans in exchange for Dr.'s working for reduced salaries for a set # of years. Taxpayers could pay for drug research and mfg in exchange for reduced prices. Americas health care is hostage to industry greed, not political apathy.

 

Shopping across state lines isn't as effective as you think and its not really done even when its allowed and it is allowed in some states. So what is your fixes to the specific problems that have been increasing costs?

 

I think a start is separating all the stuff we've lumped together as health care into two new piles. There are some services that we can and should consider socializing in the same way we do police and fire services. But in the same way those services are bare bones, so should socialized medicine be only a minimal service.

It will be a hard conversation. Especially now that we've made everything from a nose job to Viagra covered by the community dime. Walking those entitlements back won't be easy.

And you'll still have the implementation and scam problems that will need to be policed. The guy who calls an ambulance instead of walking to the urgent care facility, because he thinks he's entitled to it. Even if it's only a broken finger.

Those baseline services—things like emergency response, simple health maintenance, immunization—could then see some savings from economies of scale. And the guy who still wants that blue pill (or the lady who wants a different one), that expense should come out of their pocket. Since those issues are not a matter of life and death, normal consumer economics can find a balance between demand and cost.

Anyway, I am not claiming to have all the answers and I won't promise you a quick solution. Just trying to point out what I think may be the real problem. 'Cause we can't fix any problem, until we can recognize it.


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I'll get back @ you with a lengthy proposal, maybe tomorrow.

Today's my only one off for like 8, & I'll just be popping in & out here, since I have plans with regards to my daughter.

She's pretty drained from chemo, from CML.

 

It is not up to "me". It is up to those who think it is broken. If Republicans think it is broken it is up to them to fix it.

They control House, Senate and presidency. I'm sure Democrats are happy to own Obamacare.

Republicans own the failure to change it.

 

I doubt that. It's going to implode and so has all of their control of all branches because of ACA. It was a policy sold on lies that those who drafted it and passed it new.

It's up to Democrats to fix it now.

 

This was a defeat for the DNC/GOP Elitist Cooperative. Do you really think that the Freedom Caucus members liked having the TV attack ads directed specifically and personally at them?

The people who paid for those TV ads lost, and not the Republican Conservatives.

 

You keep saying that, and you continue to be wrong.

The Republicans tried to change it. The Republicans had the means to change it. They failed to do so. The Republicans own the failure to change it.

They tried 60+ times during Obama to just repeal it. If that is what they wanted, they had the means to do it. Republicans own the current state of health care legislation.

Alternatively, if you think it is up to Democrats to fix it, perhaps you could convince all Republicans in the House and Senate and White House to go along with any changes the Democrats propose?

 

Republicans have been complaining about and trying to destroy the ACA since it was passed. They have blocked any attempted fixes and stonewalled every aspect they could control while denying aspects of it to states they could do so in. For seven years they have tried to eliminate this law and now that they actually can have completely failed to accomplish what they told their people they would do and blamed the only target they have for their failure.
Now they want Democrats to fix the law as they have been tying to do for years and expect everyone to just smile and pat them on the back for some strange concept of success?

Some folks are so damned fooled they aren't even bright enough to see it anymore.

 

Again, this was a defeat for the DNC/GOP Elitist Cooperative. Ryan's excuse that he has gone from the opposition party to the governing party is pure hyperbole.

Ryan is a RINO and I do wonder if Trump let him hang himself on healthcare because now he can't afford to end up short on taxation or he would risk losing his position as Speaker.

Putting the repeal Obamacare bill that was passed last year through reconciliation would not take a much time at all.

 

Well someone has to because the GOP has just shown it's incompetence.

 

good point, its up to the voters now.

 

I hope the Democrats don't cut the cadillac tax, that's what helps pay for the ACA and makes it budget neutral.

 

actually I do, I also understand how the dems abandoned their worker base in favor of globalization. What you understand is how to make crap up

 

How was this a defeat for the DNC when they opposed this bill? How are they cooperating with the GOP? They have totally different positions.

 

there is something like 10 million left to enroll so the question is are the taxes going to cover the expenditures.

 

Yep, "The Democrats betrayed everyone in the field and everyone at home."

 

Some folks are so damned fooled they aren't even bright enough to see it anymore.

 

The top 4% are members of the DNC/GOP elitist cooperative. That is why the Bush family had no problems with publicly saying they were voting for Hillary.

The blame was put on the Freedom Caucus in spite of the fact that those folks tried to do what the 2016 Republican platform called on them to do.

 

Ryan lost and my caucus is very happy that he did. And now he can't afford another defeat, so full sails ahead on taxation.

 

Good luck with that...you're gonna need it.

 

The Russians paid for them. Once again, interfering in our business. We need an FBI investigation