Was Charlie Chaplin a (Nazi) "HATER"?

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    In this endless religious war we are in I've seen a lot of threads that talk about "the Islam haters".
    Question: would you call Charlie Chaplin (who tried to warn us about Hitler - we didn't listen) a "Nazi hater"? Was he a "hater", or was he just ahead of the curve - understood the enemy far better than most did, simply WARNING us of the truth, with no "hatred" as such, just LOVE for truth and for freedom/humanity?

    I believe he was not a "hater", but a true hero....just like those that try to warn us of Islam/Sharia/Jihad today (as long as they tell the truth.)

    Your opinion?
     
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    Did Chaplin condemn all Germans due to the actions of the Nazi's or did he just focus on what specific Nazi's actually said and did?
     
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    The Nazi ideology of hatred towards Jews, largely. NOT "hate all Germans!"
    So it's best that, today, one doesn't "hate all Muslims", but rather one condemns the teachings of the Islamic texts that lead to bad things (Jihad, FGM, killing gays, beating women in Q4:34, women only getting 1/2 that of a man, etc., etc.) and the Muslims that defend/deflect-away-from those barbaric teachings.
     
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    I didn’t ask whether Chaplin hated all Germans, I asked where he condemned all Germans for the actions of the Nazis (who did go on to form the elected government of Germany after all).

    There are people out there who do actually seem to hate all Muslims and they often seem to freely mix with those expressive (slightly) more considered views and statements against radical Islam or extreme teachings often come across as casually generic attacks against all Muslims.

    And do you only condemn Muslims who actively defend those things or do you presume all Muslims unconditionally defend them and so condemn all Muslims by default? Also, whose understanding and interpretation of Islamic texts is your condemnation based upon? For example, what are you basing your claim of FGM being a teaching of Islamic texts?
     
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    FGM: the Islamic texts/sources say Mo approved of FGM. That's barbaric. Those texts also say he raped her when she was 9 years-old. That's barbaric.
     
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    I love Muslims.
     
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    How many Muslims do you feel will answer "yes" to this question? "In Q4:34 Allah says to beat women - in regards to beating women, did Allah get this wrong?"
    I answer "yes". Joe, how many Muslims will join me in answering this question in the loving way (a "yes" answer)? Please tell us.

    PS I'm glad you're so honest - you're more honest than Jesus even, because Jesus approved of Adam/Eve, and science has now shown us that Adam/Eve (the world is not 6000 years old) is a lie. LiarJesus could learn something from HonestJoe!
     
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    Which ones precisely?

    I don’t know and nor do you. I’m not willing to condemn anyone on a presumption of how they’d answer that or any other question. You, it seems, will.
     
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    Go ask the Muslims that do it because Mo said to.

    Come on, don't be a fool - you KNOW Muslims won't condemn the wife beating in Q4:34. If you still don't believe then go ask them, I dare you - after all we are talking wife BEATING here - clearly not a trivial issue. My claim is that about 1.5 billion people are so barbaric that they can't condemn a verse in an ancient book that instructs to BEAT their wives! Will you dismiss this claim, Joe? Ask them, it will open your (obviously closed) eyes.
     
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    No, you claimed it was one of the things supported by Islamic text so it’s you’re responsibility to clarify that.

    You’re the one making an assumption on the basis of the answer, why don’t you ask them? Have you actually asked any Muslims this question or are you presuming the answer and thus automatically and unconditionally condemning every single Muslim man, woman and child who ever lived?

    I know what your claim it, we’re discussing your complete failure to support it.

    What if I claimed that, based on your posts, you and your entire extended family hate Muslims and want to kill them all (you may have denied it but obviously you’d lie)? I’m not going to actually ask you if this is the case or provide anything other than my opinion to back it up. You’re all unquestionably guilty. Sound good?
     
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    Yeah man, Social Democracies have been a smashing success for Europe. Especially Germany.
     
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    So which is better, Western Democracies of the last 20 years, or Sharia Law? Pick one.
     
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    I've asked it.

    I'll bet you that if we ask 10 Muslims at least 5 (I think all 10, but) would answer in the bad way. You simply don't understand the Muslim mind like I do. Go to http://www.ummah.com/forum and ask them if you don't believe me.
     
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    Those are some crappy options. I pick neither.
     
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    In the case of Germany, Sweden, Canada, along with a few other European nations, Social Democracy is going to lead to Sharia Law.

    That's what makes this a particularly stupid question.
     
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    German is a nationality, Islam is specific kind of ideology : a religion. You can't compare a nationality and a religion.

    However, Charlie Chaplin didn't warned only about nazis. His movie is intemporal and mock every guy who dream of war and bombs. His movie is about the love of life over war.
     
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    I don't know if he was a Nazi hater or not, but I just read that Charlie Chaplin once entered a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest and didn't even make the finals.
     
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    Nazism was a ideology. Islam, while religious, is also a political ideology.
     
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    That is extremely ignorant.
     
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    No, that would make it a theocracy.
     
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    Many believe that Chaplin was a Jew and had reason to feel the way he did about Nazis. What kind of **** and bull question is this?
     
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    If Chaplin was NOT a "hater" for questioning Nazism, then "Islamophobes" who simply raising awareness of Islamic atrocities, just like Chaplin did about Nazi atrocities (people should have listened to him!), are ALSO NOT "HATERS", but heroes, like Chaplin.
    Nazis hated Jews, and the Qur'an hates not only Jews, but ALL OF US NON-MUSLIMS....so like you say we, basically, "have reason to feel the way we do about Islam".
     
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    LOUSY actor if you can't even portray YOURSELF convincingly. :)
     
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    You don't realize the inroads Sharia is making in Europe.....they are cowering to Islamic blasphemy laws on a daily basis over there. They are toast - eventually.
     
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    Nazi "haters" are actually good people. Islam "haters" can be too - if they condemn the Islamic texts, and don't say "all Muslims are evil".
     
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