Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

I was referring to your utterly bogus allegation that abortion is now an "on demand big business factory thing".

 

Ironic given that you have been indulging yourself in utterly bogus hyperbole about abortions being "big business".

The point that I was making was that if you were able to indentify every one of the million women who have abortions each and every year how many would you be willing to put to death for "premeditated murder"?

If your can't honestly say all of them then you are not serious about calling it "murder".

 

Get ready for some hilarious, UNFOUNDED, but superbly dramatic and highly emotional claptrap:


From above: """Abortion is a big business (centered on the loss of rights/death) as slavery once and still is (nothing new under the sun). The marketing and selling of the dismembered parts of the aborted unborn's bodies has become another source of domestic commerce for the abortion industry. A Predictably Dark Unnatural Diversification of the Abortion Industry. Abortion, a very profitable business centered on and encompassing the exclusive goal of bringing about the death of the unborn."""


OOHHH, a ""Predictably Dark Unnatural Diversification of the Abortion Industry."""

Unnatural to use human tissue for research ?...well, that was what the peasants said in the 17th-18th centuries...

 

Quit quibbling (hiding) behind the number.....do you want women executed or given life in prison for having an abortion...a yes or no answer is OK...

Not that I care...even if abortion became illegal there is no way to suspect or investigate or try a case.....it'll be a big waste of taxpayer's money...

 

I don't believe I had called it murder (you were quoting another poster perhaps?), however I believe it is a homicide but by Man's law and present legal definition those involved in ending the lives of the unborn are not judged by Man's court system as murderers. However. Nature's and moral law, as I understand it, would have another perspective.

Don't know about your stats but you're referencing big Pharma in this post?

Sure hope its the law of the land. I heard about the baby parts marketing/sales process/issue from live radio programs (talk and news, is there an anti-abortion radio program or station?) and the internet (I know what can you believe, right?). Saw video reportedly of a sales meeting between an Abortionist and a private citizen discussing baby part prices over a meal, may have been at a restaurant. Obviously the unborn are property and profit makers even after their untimely death (homicide?).

I'm wondering, since, in your perspective, its not "big business", if you have any objections to government defunding of Planned (executions) Parenthood so the taxpayer isn't forced to finacially support abortions? If abortion supporters want that part of PP to continue they could send their money to it. I send my money to charities but wouldn't require you to support the organizations I support (i.e. religious/hunger programs/family schools/ve/terans/hospitals etc). Maybe I should assume you support these charitable programs too. The government shouldn't be in the charity field, private citizens exclusively, us humans sharing humanity, should be.

 

I believe that there are three victims in abortion...the unborn child, his or her mother and society. That is my answer Fox. Not that I have great recall but I think you guys are assuming another's quoted "murder" statement as mine, shared with the expectation that you and others will continue with your commitment to attribute that particular quoted statement to me. If it brings you any satisfaction please know that I do believe abortion is a homicide.

 

There are no "victims" in abortion since no crime has been committed.....

How is the woman a "victim" ? The only way she could become a victim is if Anti-Choicers make abortion illegal and she becomes THEIR victim of bias and dictatorship..

How is "society" a victim" ? How can something that never existed make anyone or anything a victim?








Do you believe anyone who commits a homicide should go free or be punished?

 

"Nature's" law and your "morals" law do not count.....real law does.

Ya, You learned just enough for you and then didn't follow through to the facts of the case....PP was found innocent of all that crap thrown at it but I'm sure you quit listening once you heard what you wanted to hear.

NO taxpayer is forced to pay for abortions, YOU have NEVER proven they have been....why do you repeat things that aren't true?


But the GOOD part is that even if federal funding is pulled from Planned Parenthood and the good work they do, abortions will continue

Of course, life will be a little harder for the poor as they will have less access to birth control and other health issues (like STD treatment and pre-natal care)
but that is Republicans goal...attack the weakest...vilify the poor, it's a jesus/Christian thing...

 

Thank you for openly admitting that you are using disinformation sources instead of credible sites regarding abortion.

Thank you for also admitting to being completely and utterly ignorant regarding all aspects of Planned Parenthood.

Thank you for the third time for admitting to being woefully ignorant of the Law of the Land as it pertains to abortion.

While you have every right to be personally opposed to abortion you cannot deny women their individual right to choose. That has nothing whatsoever to with morality because the Law of the Land deals with individual rights.

What you heard and saw about PP has been exposed as deliberate and malicious attempts to defame the organization with zero basis in actual facts.

It is against the Law of the Land for any taxpayer money to be used for abortions. PP only uses donations to provide abortions. (Yes, I am one of those donors.) The taxpayer funds provided to PP are used for other healthcare services for women such as contraception.

Lastly the government administers charity in a secular manner which is far superior to that of any theist charity that I have ever encountered.

 

I do my best to be truthful.

In your opinion.

That is a pretty broad category-Law of the Land but abortion was something of a find in a penumbra privacy right discovery, no?

Well thanks for that. Where do you think the standards are found that our laws are drawn from?

So, its entirely the matter has been settled, you've reviewed the video(s) and your position is their all actors out to defame PP? And PP does not "give" body parts of terminated humans to other interests?

So do your donations go directly for abortions or at least can be used to abort if PP thinks they need your money for that?

Its good to know taxpayer funding isn't being used for aborting the unborn.

Interesting. Never thought of the government as a charitable entity. I pay my taxes, in part , because the law requires it. If they ever make taxes voluntary like a charitable organization operates when it solicits I'll send my money to the charities of my choice.

 

But the ruling is independent of abortion, it is just laws concerning abortion. Slavery requires law to be slavery. Abortion doesn't.

 

My thought. Enslavement/Slavery can exist with or without a law protecting or prohibiting it, I suspect the same could be said about abortion. A point I'd like to share, slavery was once a legal institution as abortion is now. Slavery. as an American institution, was finally defeated. Abortion, as an institution, may one day meet the same fate.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings

This man enslaved these young girls for years

 

No.

Yes.

Slavery requires legality to be slavery, abortion doesn't.

No, for two reasons:
1. Abortion is not an institution.
2. Pro-choice laws succeed pro-life laws in the same way industrialization succeeds agrarian non-industrialized societies.

 

...and what has that got to do with abortion????

 

Straw man.

 

Incorrect. Legal abortion is not, and cannot be, murder.

 

Incorrect, as you most often are. Anti choice means you want abortion to be illegal. Look it up. Anti life would mean you want every pregnancy aborted. Pro choicers don't want that.

 

I will have sex where, when and with whom I want. Whether or not I use contraception, if I conceive, I will abort. If you don't like that, I suggest you find a way to cope.

 

Yup. As long as I am not forced to pay for it, I am okay.

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Tell me then, what is it? If a woman has a miscarriage, isn't there something that dies? If a boyfriend kicks his pregnant girlfriend and kills their baby, he killed their baby right?

I do not care whether you are pro choice, you still should be able to see that a fetus is infact a life and ending a living creatures life against it's will is, per definition, murder. You can call it self-defense if you wish to defend it however, it does not change the fact that it is murder.

 

It is not a strawman argument in any sense of the term. No idea what you are talking about - women who consent to unprotected sex also consent to being pregnant. I.e. No one forces women to be pregnant.

There is only one reason you have an abortion and that is an "unwanted pregnancy" and an "unwanted pregnancy" can only be achieved in one way - by having intercourse. So, either you close your legs and wait 'til you are ready to become a mother or you swallow that pill and go full "Miley Cyrus" in the club. The same, of course, applies for the fatherhood-dodging cowards of "men" we have today.

 

And the rulings of the courts who decided in favor of PP against those defaming it illegally.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/a...the-smear-campaign-against-planned-parenthood

Why haven't any of your anti-abortion disinformation sources provided you with those facts?

Why didn't you do your own research and that out for yourself before spreading your own malicious disinformation?

Given that abortion was LEGAL when this nation was founded no "penumbra" was needed because it was already covered under the 9th Amendment.

Why don't you tell us what you imagine the standards to be?

Yes, the grand jury proved all of that in the link above and the anti-abortion perp was charged accordingly.

There is a vast difference between DONATING tissue for research and DEFAMING PP by egregiously alleging that they "selling body parts".

That is the purpose of the donation.

Your ignorance of the Law of the Land and how governments actually work is your problem.

 

No , consent to one action is not consent to any other action......just because you consent to have someone enter your house does NOT mean they have consent to tear it down...or did you think they did?


And it's obvious from your disgustingly vulgar post that your misogyny is what drives your opinion...so it can hardly be rational...

 

WHAT has this got to do with the topic?