Do white people benefit the most from gun-control?

the fact is-when the anti gunners claim gun makers oppose UBGC because they want to sell guns-that argument is idiotic. You see, gun makers only make money when they sell guns to retail dealers. Colt or SIG or Beretta doesn't make money when Turtledude sells one of his Berettas or Colts or SIGS to one of his friends. The only time those makers profit is when they sell a gun to a retail dealer. Now those sales are not subject to a background check since they are maker to licensed retailer or maker to licensed wholesaler. When gun dealers sell a firearm (and thus seek to buy a replacement from a maker) a background check has to take place. UBGCs have absolutely no impact on firearms makers. Making it harder for someone to make a second hand sale to another private citizen will NOT hurt the number of NEW firearms sold by makers

so when you hear that the reason why the NRA opposes the placebo called universal background checks is because they are run by gun makers, that argument is both idiotic and contrary to all known fact

 

Yet, the assertion that FFLs sell guns at gun show without a BC is still made. I work with several and am working with one at a gun show tomorrow; I know of none that would jeopardize their livelyhood to concept to selling a gun without a BC. And for what? Do people actually think the markup on a gun is enough to risk jail time... really?
In fact, I believe if any FFL became aware of an illegal sale, the LE would be informed of such. Few of us legal owners and that are in the industry would passively do nothing if they observed such illegal behavior.

 

90 percent of Americans understand there is a drawback to selling firearms to felons.

 

actually almost everyone who isn't a thug does. but the UBGC does nothing useful. We keep asking you to prove how those stupid laws will decrease criminal violence and you keep avoiding the question. Why is that?

 

I get it: you are saying FFL dealers are required by law to do background checks
and none of the FFL dealers you know would sell a gun without doing a background
check which is REQUIRED BY LAW to do.

And I keep reminding you that there are THOUSANDS of guns sold by "collectors" who
can have (last count I believe) FIFTY firearms, the same firearms the FFL dealers have
and they don't have to do ANYTHING in the way of a background check, gee, if I was
a felon, where oh where would I go if I wanted to look at thousands of guns and buy
without a background check?

And you cry about the FFL dealers who manage to make a GREAT DEAL OF MONEY
at these shows or they would not go.

So what is the big deal to require background checks for all sales?

You are at the EXACT same sales and you have the same tables and the same chairs
and you are looking at the same customers except the guys who know they can not
pass the UBC go WHERE?

 

where does the federal government get the jurisdictional authority to require those who are only able to engage in INTRASTATE sales to conduct background checks.

 

Don't care.

I told you this ten times in the other thread you were crying to the moderator that I
was hurting your feelings.

The purpose of UBC is to prevent sales to people who are on the list.

It isn't to stop the 35,000 fatalities you guys commit with your firearms.

 

State laws are state laws.

See my post above.

 

With the 300 million guns floating around and with gun gnutters insisting they have
a right to carry AR-15s with high capacity magazines into schools to express their
2nd Amendment rights, we won't have to wait very long.

The thing about block gun sales: people don't jump up and say, hey, you blocked
a sale of a gun that I was going to carry into a kindergarten classroom and turn
a bunch of children into hamburger.

You don't stop these mass shootings by making it easier to get firearms.

 

you are making things up

 

that's a failure of proof. can you find any evidence that background checks imposed on private citizens by other private citizens will decrease crime? A Duke study showed that the brady bill didn't do a damn thing to decrease violent crime

 

you don't stop mass shootings by disarming victims. and that is all your desired gun laws do. people who plan on committing mass murder don't obey gun laws. what is a high capacity magazine? do you understand the term?

 

really? you mean you are unfamiliar with the Duke study?

Here for your edification


https://content.law.virginia.edu/news/2003_spr/cook.htm

 

Unfamiliar with, or chooses to ignore? I go with the latter.

 

When we began this discussion, I asked you what gun shows allow FFL sales without BCs, even suggesting you read my question carefully, to which you responded thousands, a baseless, dishonest answer. Then you have been waddling trying to find a way to make it appear you are in some manner correct.

Regardless of the state, all gunshows must comply with ATF rules.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/r...ers-and-other-participants-gun-shows/download

While my initial question was in regard to what gun show venues allow FFLs to sell without BCs, most gun shows I have attended require private (non FFL) sellers staging from booths selling from a private collection to conduct the transfer via a FFL that will do a BC (spelled out in a both rental agreement).

At the gun show today and likely tomorrow there will likely be ATF, one agent I know was wandering the aisles today.

I already know you next atttempt to suggest you aren't wrong in your assertion. Go ahead...will be waiting.

As for your implied assertion that some buyers might seek out sellers that won't perform BCs, you know this precisely how?

 

and those UBGCs don't do that at all. and you have no evidence it will. If UBCGs don't stop murders or violent crimes, they are pretty much worthless.

 

And we've all read yours. Nobody knows more about guns, gun laws and such things than Turtledude.

 

What guys? What fatalies upon another have I committed?

 

So being required to pass a background is harassment? It's punishment? <Mod Edit-rule 3> Seriously.

 

making a private citizen go to a dealer to conduct a background check and pay for it is harassment. and you all have never come close to proving such a law is going to decrease crime. why do you want to make OTHER people do SOMETHING that won't do a damn thing to stop violent crime> the crybabies are gun restrictionists who think harassing honest people is going to deter criminals

 

It's another incremental step. Leftists will never be happy, and we should not give them an INCH, especially when it comes to one of our rights. Crybaby? This is a serious infringement on citizens' basic constitutional rights.

 

Well, I guess the leftists really don't have a problem with voter ID then. We should also do a background check on voters, just to be safe.

 

http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/richard-ebeling-the-importance-of-the-second-amendment/

 

You don't sell mass shooting by selling the killers weapons.

Do let's remember you will sell a gun to anyone.

Myself, I think police who have been trained to stop mass shooters should be the people
who are called when the mass shooters starts killing people.
MOD EDIT>>>FLAME BAIT<<<

 

Yes, this is knownas a loaded question.

It doesn't seem to matter how I respond you already have an answer.

I also suggested I could give you a list of around 5,000 gun shows that
allow private dealers who aren't FFL to see guns and they don't do
backgrounds checks.