*From the original Dragnet series, said by Joe Friday when interviewing witnesses to a crime About "unauthorized immigrants" in the US, research from the Pew Research Center: 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. - excerpt (caption heads only, but well worth reading fully): Regarding Item 5 above: So, why not give that 66%, if they have no criminal record, the opportunity for the instruction necessary and the ability to be nationalized? Where's the harm? Oh, I know. More than likely, they'll vote on the Left! Yeah, that's why we should kick'em out of the country ... !
You've hit the nail on the head. Do you not see the danger? Your article reveals large concentrations of illegals residing in a few states. Being of unknown origin, and intent, is it at all wise to allow these persons to profoundly influence State / municipal elections? How do you suppose Mexican politicians, with ties to drug cartels come into power? It plays out everyday in S. American gov't.
Well South Americans are like a type of nuclear reactor - they're fast breeders? Bit like Muslims when you think about it?
Yes, they reside there. But do they VOTE? Likely not, out of fear of their own illegality! And with or without the migrants in the US, the amount of drugs satisfying a crying-need of Americans would be the same. So, don't blame that American deficiency upon the migrants! Besides, they actually do not vote in any numbers that would ever change the popular-vote that Donald Dork LOST! And had they voted, they would have done so in a manner that "immigrants" (citizens with the right to vote) like them did. And Donald Dork would have lost by an even greater margin to 2% - which is historic in that it is the largest ever. Maybe he's your PotUS. He's not mine ...
They're not permitted to vote as illegals. You posed the question of whether their being given voting rights was a concern. Yes it is. The 2016 election was decided by 100K votes across 3 states. What % of 11 million aliens would have potentially voted for Clinton vs Trump? You asked a question, you got an answer. What if 11 million Russian sneak into Alaska? Give them citizenship and sign them up to vote?
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. Voting is not a right; it is a privilege. The right makes much ado about voting and citizenship, etc. They honestly don't believe that those here without papers should even be considered human beings without human registration papers. So, IF Trump gets Congress funds Trump's wall, it will because we made some kind of concession... like forcing those here to become citizens. Then the Ds will have MILLIONS of new voters and the right will be voted into oblivion in the next election cycle after forced citizenship. If this about drugs, the solution is to deal with our own culture that worships drugs, drinking and smoking. What really is this thread about?
What if you didn't get your daily injection of reality? (Which seems to be your real reason to frequent this forum.) Immigrants vote in America. They overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. Migrants don't vote legally for fear of being "caught, jailed and sent back". Your sense of reality in the matter is wholly lacking ...
The foreigners in the U.S. that wish to assimilate legally are known as immigrants. Those that illegally traverse our borders are legally referred to as illegal aliens. Migrants would be those that leave their country and migrate to find work. If Trump is not your POTUS then you are not a true American.
I agree with you. We need a serious fix to the border and border security first though. Until the borders are secured any amnesty is dead in the water.
A lot of people come here and assimilate despite the fact that there are not always opportunities for them to enter this country properly. It's unfortunate that people who do find themselves in that position have to be called "illegal aliens" by dumb jacka**es who have forgotten there is a presumption of innocence in this country... you know - people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. There is no such term as "illegal aliens" as a legal term. Next time you see those who call undocumented foreigners that other term, you can tell them what I said. See the following link: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...yes-illegal-aliens-have-constitutional-rights Now, while I will acknowledge that Donald Trump is the president - and I voted for him, he is still the worst embarrassment that has ever served as U.S. President... It's kind of hard to do considering what served before him (luckily I wouldn't support the previous Pretender in Chief over Humpty Trumpty.)
The borders are quite secure and you should stop drinking Hater Aid. It makes you post sill sh!+. Scenario 1 - If you threw up a wall and then gave "amnesty" (code for forced citizenship) they would register to vote and vote the right wing into oblivion Scenario 2 - If you attempt to deport 11 million people, their children are NOT subject to removal. So, you have to start thinking about how you would deal with MILLIONS of displaced children Scenario 3 - You deport the 11 million people here without papers and force their children out. Those children are still American citizens. So, a few years go by and those kids who were twelve or so reach the age of 17 and show up at U.S. checkpoints with their birth certificates and Socialist Surveillance Numbers... Ooops - "Social Security Cards." You can't keep them out. So now you have MILLIONS of U.S. citizens with no job, no education, no family support system, no job skills and, most likely, no ability to speak English. Can you afford a welfare check that big? Scenario 4 - Deport 11 million people and millions of homes and apartments will be empty, lowering property values and robbing homeowners many years of hard earned equity. You've made the false assumption that more jobs will be available. Think again. Just because you force an employer to get rid of their employees does not mean they will hire people they didn't want in the first place. Employers are introducing robotics into the workplace, moving to foreign countries, even shutting down or consolidating their businesses. Undocumented workers create jobs, increase profits for businesses, allow homeowners to realize more equity in their homes at a faster rate. The border is quite secure. What we need is an end to the quota system and this silly a** idea that people need to become citizens.
Forced citizenship? What the hell is that? Honestly, I quit reading there. I see no way your post has any relevance after you used that term.
Sorry you have a reading comprehension problem. It seems to a common disease among those who drink too much Hater Aid. For that matter, dude, I defined the terminology forced citizenship. Forced citizenship is code for "amnesty." The ONLY way the anti-immigrant lobby sees an "in" for most immigrants is if they come in "legally." This is another code word for people coming in to seek citizenship. Nobody cares if you read this thread or not. The more you babble on with code words and bigotry, the easier it is to pick your argument apart. And that is my code language to tell you, it's better to cut your losses and not dig this hole any deeper for yourself.
Are you off your meds or something? Your responses are quite odd. We aren't even talking about immigrants. We are taking about illegals.
Nope! They remain migrants until they are sworn in by oath by an official of the state! Only then do they become immigrants with the right to stay permanently in the US. (I am an immigrant in France, because the French government has given me permanent resident visa. But I am not a French citizen and I have no right to vote.) Until then they are either legal or illegal migrants (or aliens if you prefer - as if they came from some other planet). A legal migrant/alien has an Entry Visa, which is how American firms get from abroad the talent they need, particularly in the Information Technology industry. Yeah, right, I am not a "true American". What makes you think YOU have the right to decide who is and who isn't? Typical nonsense from the Rabid Right ...
I agree. But we need no humongous multi hundred-million dollar fence. What we need is an international treaty with Mexico regarding border crossings. That is, from their side, nobody crosses the border without a Visa. (This might be worth investing in along with the Mexican government towards tightening control of the existing demarcation line between the two countries.) Let the Mexicans pay for the policing. We don't need any effing Wall (aside from the one that is already there), just because Donald Dork got elected on what is just a useless slogan gobbled hook, line and sinker by much of the American public. Who is going to clean-up after us if not Central-American migrants? They've been doing it forever* ... *And, curious enough, their sons and daughters (born in the US) are now American citizens. AbraCadabra!
I have a great idea. We have all of these drones with amazing optics and flight time. Let them patrol the borders in the rural areas. We will see and track anything that crosses into the US and we simply pick them up. In the urban areas, we do need that wall and all the bells and whistles that go with it.
No we don't. I keep asking, if we keep them out, who is going to collect your garbage? You. Your son? Americans have got lazy. There are jobs that they will not do anymore. Anyway, under Donald Dork expect nothing to happen. Not even the wall. (Too damn expensive if he wants to cut taxes and give the super-rich EVEN MORE than the too-much they already obain!) The guy is way in over his head sputtering idiocies on twitter ...
ABRA-CADABRA Junk explanation. Forced citizenship, me arse. The option available to the US is for the government and Congress to allow in-situ migrants (not yet immigrants since they are not yet citizens) to undertake the training necessary to obtain citizenship, then they take the oath. AbraCadabra, we make citizen-taxpayers! And we close the southern boarder to anyone who does not have a valid Temporary Work Visa issued-and-collected in a foreign country at a US embassy. How do we distinguish between illegal-migrants and tourists? By country. No visa necessary for European tourists (which is already reciprocal). Visas necessary for all other countries. (Even farm-workers - "H-1B".) AT THE SAME TIME We adopt a National Identity Card, issued either at birth or presently with a birth certificate or a naturalization document; which contains a bona-fide means of identification (DNA*). The National Identity Card number would adopt that of the present national Social Security number standardized in the US. It's a tremendous project to implement all that for 320 million Americans, but we'd have a "securitized" identification process - like all other "modern" countries on this planet ... *Necessary so that the DNA of "citizens" is on file in a national registry. The National Identity Number will then be used on all declarations for Income Tax purposes. In fact, it will also help tremendously to fight crime.
BZZZT Wrong! The Constitution protects the individual right to vote! The right to vote can only be taken away for violating the Law of the Land. Every other citizen has the right to vote and cannot be denied their right to vote either.
The legality of Trump being POTUS has yet to be determined given that we now have actual evidence of the Russians tampering with Voter Roles in certain states. Doesn't every American have the right to vote and to know that their votes were not tampered with by a foreign government?
Most of the illegal immigrants are from the south but what is often overlooked is the half million or so from Europe. There are about 70,000 illegal immigrants from Poland in Chicago alone.
No right is established. http://democracyjournal.org/magazine/28/the-missing-right-a-constitutional-right-to-vote/ BZZZT, YOU ARE WRONG
Your BLOG source does not supercede the Law of the Land! Like ALL rights they can be REGULATED but NOT DENIED! That you and your blogger buddies don't know the difference is not my problem.
