I think i make much sense. That said i saw what you wrote about your relatives. I hope for them it was quick. You really have my sympathy.
I'm not saying that the Soviet soldiers were not tough. All the soldiers are cruel. I am against the fact that Western propaganda focuses on the actions of Soviet soldiers. Day and night they talk about raped German women but do not talk about raped Soviet women.
As i said you have my sympathy. All your family suffered and now you live in poverty. Never lose your hope. Maybe better days come.
Okay, seriously. You two are acting like total jerks, either stop or GETFO from this forum until you get civil. Cut that fuсking circus already.
Not everyone died. Some came to Germany on tanks. By the way, Soviet soldiers did not rape women because it was not necessary. The Germans were dying of hunger. Therefore, German women willingly served soldiers for food. They did housework and provided sexual services.
Of course, things don't just move along smoothly in a war of that magnitude. I have read that Germans sometimes in some places had to be ruthless in order to root out the partisans among the ordinary folks, especially when they came across mutilated bodies of their comrades. And then there were the Commissares, mostly Jews, who egged the Russian soldiers on to commit unspeakable atrocities.
9~9 Let's put this straight: you have very little knowledge of soviet intelligence service and military police, and I advice to not discuss topic that you are not proficient with. I hope that I so far gave the impression of me judging things more practically and neutrally, and can be relied on when I say you are not aware of details of topic you have mentioned there. If you wish to discuss it never the less - either that is to be done in other thread, or through the private messages, and with lots of source material coming along with it - because as every other thing I mentioned - it is, surprisingly, more complicated than people got used to think about it. Way more complicated.
Well, the raping of the German girls and women was an atrocity of world proportion! Never before or since has something so awful and of such magnitude happened. You Russians alone get the glory for that accomplishment.
I appreciate your warning and admit that I don.t know everything straight out of my head. But I can honestly say that I know from a German soldier about the partisans. About the commissars I have read on the web and book by Solzhenitsyn. Unfortunately, I was not able to locate the text just now, only the German atrocities are available! That is very typical as it is all Germany's fault and only the Germans committed crimes... I'm used to that.
Soviet soldiers bought German womens for food. And now you tell nonsense for fools to be justified. If the Germans had not invaded the Soviet Union, then the Soviet army would not have come to Germany. This is a simple truth, but fools can't understand this.
I must disappoint you. Your soldiers were treated like crap, starving and well you know how you live. You know your live better... Do you have running water? How is it to be so poor?
Not at all! It is known that 75% of all Russian Commissars were Jews.... Commissars - the Communist Enforcers in the Red Army quikmaneuvers.com/commissars.html In World War II, the Red Army would have collapsed by 1942 without the pressures exerted by Red Army commissars. Commissars were fanatic Soviet officers, placed Haha... people must not know about that!!
It's funny to read your nonsense. Go to Moscow if you have enough money. I understand that you do not like reality, but it's a fact. The Germans started the war and lost.
Solzhenitsyn was sent to the Gulags! He was ousted from Russia. He wrote from his own life experiences.
Well, in that case I point to you at fact that Solzhenitsyn was a writer, not a historian - that's first. Facts can be twisted, numbers can be exxagerated, most vicious incidents preserned as day-to-day norm, and all that - to have bigger sells. Make more money. Nothing wrong with that, considering he was a human, and a writer - not a historian, and was not oblieged to present the clearest prossible representation of events he went through and things he knew about. Again, I never claimed that any side in this war had their hands clean. Non did. But when you point at fact, that germans were not some wicked animals, as they been presented by Allies and Union - at same in case of soviet army and people I point to you, the NKVD included. So, I assume that as I learned to recognise fact, that Germany and it's society was complicated in that period, I expect same in return. And as I said before, if you REALLY want to discuss that topic - I recommend separate thread or private messages, albeit seems this discussion is still better than other one that takes place in this thread. More adequate, at very least.
We lost? We rule Europe. We dominate in evry aspect. Why should i go moscow? I prefer to visit south america and australia with my girl. If i want visit a shithole i can visit Nigeria. Thats what your country is. Nigeria with snow.
He wrote for money. Because in the west he had to earn money for life. He wrote what Western propaganda wanted. It's amazing how stupid people can be. Complete lack of analytical thinking. Incredibly ...
Not the fact that you have enough money to rest in Moscow. Germany is an American whore. The US controls Germany, German gold in the United States and every German Chancellor is required to sign the Chancellor Act.