I think there is no confusion that the tetus is a VERY consequential lump of cells In answer to your original post I think there are no bright lines in this discussion As such, I would even be ok aborting a born child with severe handicap--- like no brain Btw, this was the attitude of the ancient Greeks... and probably most primitive human cultures Wiki article on infantacide says Anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule."[6]:61
We usually spend the rest of out life trying to get back in a vagina anyway! So, to answer your question, no. Once we are born and breathing, the mother still has the option of walking away, but must surrender the baby.
Why do you put so much weight on the act of being born ( = passing through a vagina) and taking one's first breath? Do you think life doesn't begin or something before one is born or breathes? Because that would be an error.
Yah. Roe v. Wade didn't bother with fixing the point of inception, nor the beginning of life. It establishes viability of the fetus as the controlling variable, & the trimester scheme is set up accordingly. being born does NOT ( = passing through a vagina) - in a Cesarean section, the doctor cuts through the abdomen & uterus & removes the fetus without passing through the vagina. & in fact, if the fetus could pass through the vagina, a C-section wouldn't be necessary nor medically advisable (an ethical issue). Roe v. Wade looks @ viability of the fetus, & being born (or delivered) - successfully removed from the uterus - is the point @ which Roe considers the fetus to be a baby.
Why don't you want to believe that the fetus is actually attached to the woman it's in? It doesn't matter when "life begins" , as long as it's in the woman she decides what happens to it. And birth is not simply sliding out the vagina....you should look up stuff you comment on (like what happens during birth) ... before you comment on it...
Simple. Because one line of thought is an infringement of rights. I will ask you the same kind of question: Why do you only care about these precious lives when they are in a uterus? There are thousands of unwanted children that will never see the inside of a loving home. How many have you adopted?
Yes, I think postnatal abortion must be acceptable and even advisable in a case of serious health problem.
Whenever I ask what they are willing do to help these precious lives, they disappear like a Democrat being asked what they do for the poor!
Or a Republican being asked to fund WIC, SNAP, healthy food programs at school, fund educational TV (or anything else for poor children), keep funding clinics where women can have access to safe affordable birth control and prenatal care.
Its your money, fund whatever you want. Oh wait, you don't want to use your own money! You care soooo much you want to force others to pay for failed social experiments. I will join you in calling out repubs on their hypocrisy on many issues, but on this one, democrites fall short on being willing to help others. They want others to help. Every dollar you steal from tax payers to provide free rubbers or perform elective surgery can be used to do real good in the world. Every time I set a shoe down on the floor, you step right into it and its a perfect fit!
Thank you for proving that Repubs ALL HATE anything that helps actual children.. To call things like Welfare, WIC, SNAP and others, "failed social experiments" BECAUSE they helped children and YOU made no profit off them is really disgusting (profit is EVERYTHING and the ONLY thing to Repubs). Where did I say I wanted OTHERS to pay for anything , I didn't you lied. I pay taxes , too.... Every dollar Repubs "filter up" to the top 2% could be used to do REAL good in the world...but they hate that idea and fight against changing it and defend it viciously...... since I think you're bored and just want to bicker about what saints repubs are , good bye
Becoming unraveled doesn't change facts. Sensitive hypocrites should avoid making their empty claims on forums.
But yet you continue to do so.... ...want to go on in the typical Repub way with cheap shots and no substance?
When people bash others, they are usually just as guilty. You are in no position to bash Republicans. You may now resume your scattered, desperate, and emotional posting. Make sure you use all caps so we know you're yelling?
I asked : ""...want to go on in the typical Repub way with cheap shots and no substance?"" I see your answer is, yes.
You were the one taking cheap shots. I just pointed out that you are in no position to criticize. You care no more about the poor than most pro-lifers care about the sanctity of human life.
You were the one taking cheap shots. I just pointed out that you are in no position to criticize. You care no more about the poor than most pro-lifers care about the sanctity of human life. See it works both ways and I will criticize who I please. We've already gone around and around on this and you can't seem to be able to "get it"......leaves me to wonder why. I explained it several times and it's YOU who can't understand English. I'll try one more time , but as I said before , it is on YOU to get it. I am under no obligation to care about the poor, I am not the one blubbering about the "sanctity of life" and how those aborted babies are "precious life"....that would be your pals the Repubs who hate women having rights. Now that is simple, I've told you several times already....if you can't let it go it just advertises how wrong you are and your difficulty with reading and comprehension. Meanwhile, if you think I don't care about the poor , why, you just go right ahead and think that....has nothing to do with abortion BTW, didn't see too many of your GENEROUS LOVING Repub pals signing on for pregnancy duty...
