Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

Well we've been down that particular road a time or two, Pols. But since you axed ... by 'learned' I mean environmental. Not 'taught'.

 

Of course, I'm a bigot. And anyone who doesn't love Jesus is the Devil's handmaiden.

 

You're hog-tied by a western-centric approach to neuroplasticity. Or rather, the western idea that there is little or no neuroplasticity. That's not your fault, it's simply a function of a long standing cultural aversion to work and personal responsibility. The more things we can pathologise, and call 'born this way', the less we have to make good.

In an aside, insisting that people can't ever hope to change, is a grotesquely cruel and unusual punishment. Applied more out of self-interest than genuine concern for the person. We're motivated by the need to avoid taking responsibility for ourselves.

PS: People are not alcoholics, people abuse alcohol. A person who might once have abused alcohol, is simply a person who once abused alcohol. Give people some dignity and credit, instead of pathologising and 'disabling'.

 

If they never touch alcohol again it's because they don't want to. Obviously. If they really wanted to drink, they would. All of us have all sorts of urges we resist, from birth til death. It's absurd to suggest those urges are an essential part of our identity, and that we must be regarded as flawed beings for life, as a result.

 

There is no doubt you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Quick answer-you're very wrong.

 

That's a comforting thought, no doubt.

 

Quick answer .. it's painful to have the flaws in your tightly held cultural beliefs pointed out.

 

Perhaps they, like I, understand that being gay in and of itself harms no one and is allowed in a free/ish country.

 

But there are gay men who want conversion, Rob. Surely to outlaw such options is to act against LGBT interests?

 

I would question why one would want to go to conversion therapy if other than to conform to a perceived social norm? IMO wanting conversion therapy to conform to social norms is a horrible reason and perhaps a reason the success rate it pitifully low. What scientific evidence shows that such a therapy is beneficial? What is the success rate at five years out? How about 50 years out? If there is proof that it works and lasts a lifetime without negatively effecting psychological health, then I will abandon my position and become an advocate for conversion therapy.

Moot point as I do not argue for making conversion therapy illegal.

 

It is. It gives me the freedom to ignore someone that believes that being gay or an alcoholic is a "learned behavior" and can change by taking personal responsibility. You're entitled to your opinion but that's all it is....an opinion that is clearly based on nothing now known to medical science.
Frankly, people like you are dangerous.

 

No it isn't. That doesn't even make sense.

 

Adopting children doesn't count. Aside from that, your answer only serves to prove that homosexuality is a choice.

 

Thanks for proving it's a choice.

 

So not learned but any effect of the environment? Those two things are not congruent

 

Proving what is a choice?

 

But it's not our lookout to say why or why not they should want it. Maybe they're really attracted to the whole white picket fence, traditional family thing, maybe they really want kids with a biological co-parent, maybe they're religious - who knows. Either way, it's not our place to judge their reasons.

Keep in mind I'm not advocating for any particular form of therapy, only that therapies remain available and legal ... for those who want them.

I'm not saying you're arguing for it, but some actually are.

 

Nothing now known to the vested interests of some medical practitioners in the west. Meanwhile, billions of people in other parts of the world ignore that cop out stuff and get on with not being 'disabled' via accidents of birth.

Frankly, people who prefer to believe we're all hardwired to unchangeable behaviours/psychologies are even more dangerous. They would condemn us all, in order to preserve their own ease.

 

whooops

 

Protesters want this nonsense to stop. Why are you crying about it? If you are right a few protesters wouldn't mean much.

Do you worry with Satanists, or Pastafarians? Those are entire religions built to protest people who take this nonsense seriously.

 

So you finally realized that the more you talk the more foolish you look. I'm happy for you, it's the important first step to a more enlightened life.

 

Lots of homosexuals have natural born children without any adoption.

And no, homosexuality is not a choice. Attraction isn't a choice.

 

Its a choice to act. The attraction is the part people are saying isn't a choice.

 

Conversion to what ?
As in conversion from petrol to electric ?
Are you kidding ?
Environmental?
Seriously ?

Your stupid assertions is like saying getting raped teaches you how to make love.