40 Economists Just Destroyed Every Big Republican Lie About The Healthcare Bill

Taking the bread off of other people's tables doesn't make you altruistic, and "We the People" isn't a communist manifesto.

It's amusing to watch you and your comrades defend a failing program that hasn't delivered on the mountain of lies it was sold on and is already in a death spiral, but between that and your insane rhetoric and fear-mongering you've done everyone the favor of illustrating how irrational "progressives" get when one of their Sacred Cows is getting euthanized.

 

What's so telling about this "bill" is the timelines set for implementation of the "changes". The politics seem to supersede the "repeal & replacement". The GOP obviously needs a win.

 

The same with ObamaCare. It's official rollout wasn't until AFTER Obama's 2012 re-election. Go figure.

 

Go ask everyone on welfare who has children. They obviously don't give a **** about their kids or fellow man. Sorry, but the people who actually pay taxes and contribute, are society. Everyone else are the dregs. Poor people who smoke(there are loads) only take. Everyone on welfare, only takes. People who breed on welfare only take. People who never gave a crap abut school, and have no skills as adults are takers.

Your anger is misplaced. You should care more about those footing the bill than those who pass the bill their entire lives. We need laws that start forcing all the takers to actually start giving FIRST before they get anything.

 

Why should anyone else pay for your health insurance?

You complain of Republican greed, but you are coming off as the greedy one to me. You're not here supporting Obamacare to help your fellow man, but rather to help yourself.

So again, why should I or anyone else pay for your health insurance?

 

For every dollar of benefits received, more than a dollar is required to pay for it. Which is why the most cost effective form of healthcare we could ever have is to have no government healthcare benefits at all.

In 2014, it was estimated that the ACA would cause 30 million Americans to be canceled from their current insurance, with only 16 million gaining insurance; a net loss of 14 million insured. So don't pretend that the Republican bill is the only net negative bill, the ACA was also net negative. In fact, no matter who creates a government run healthcare system, it will always be net negative in some form or another. It is as sure as water flowing downhill.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/

 

Trump needs to listen to the 5 holdout senators instead of Republican bureaucrats. The people voted for Trump because they are tired of "business as usual" from both sides of the isle. Just look at the last 2 in the Republican primaries. (Cruz and Trump) Both were outside the main stream candidates.

 

Yes it was......thats how pools work. Maternity coverage is part of EVERY plan because its part of every pool !!!!!

 

Which is why we need Medicare for all. Now we are going back to where 40 to 50 million will again not be covered because of the Republican bill.

 

Yup.

Even Warren Buffett thinks that single-payer is the way to go.

 

Please turn off Fox news. The plans were not more expensive at the time they were purchased. And they didn't drop them altogether because their are more people insured today than pre-Obamacare.

Yes, deductibles are higher, but please show me where that was caused by Obamacare. The change to higher deductibles and less coverage started LONG before Obamacare was enacted. That trend started in the late 90's as they realized that as they raised premiums less people were buying the product. So to keep people in, and to generate more profit, deductibles were rising in what one analyst called "hiding the true costs of the profit motive".

So I will ask, since Insurance costs are rising, what is the answer. What do we do to lower premiums ? And how do we lower the costs of healthcare

 

So not all are self insured. Most of the larger corporations are. Are you sure that Anthem is the insurer or just the administrator ? I am curious on that.....

No they weren't forced into the exchanges. Good lord.....just because someone lost their coverage didn't mean it was individual coverage. Maternity care was the largest driver of that. My brother had to change his plan at work because the plan that was offered at his small company required a rider for Maternity Care. If they had language in the plan that removed dependent children at any age below 25, that plan was non-compliant.

Blaming Obamacare for raising rates if disingenuous to the debate, but it is exactly what the "free marketers" want. For that to be true you would have to be able to explain the growth in rates and deductibles and decline in coverage from the late 80's until 2013 when it kicked in.

 

The moral depravity and ideological shackles aside, their impotence in contriving a viable alternative to the flawed ACA that is not a pandemic emetic is astounding - seven years of sniveling, over 50 token practice runs at it, and when they finally seize total control of the federal government, the tripartite alliance functions like a well-oiled drunk tank.

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Who doesn't need healthcare insurance?

 

It was an option for us until ACA, so was substance abuse program. Those two were most definetly part of the MEC in Obamacare

 

Living in a rural area I know lots of people who for the first time are getting great healthcare.

The ACA has reduced bankruptcies and saving Lives !

 

My insurance company said it did in a letter they sent me with my premium notice after it started to go into effect. It said it was a higher than normal premium increase due to increased compliance costs and uncertainties about the effects of the PPACA. I am one of those people who had a grandfathered policy and its prices have more than doubled since Obamacare went into effect. I am not sure why defenders of Obamacare try to pretend it didn't when it was sold on the "soak the rich" argument to begin with (not that I am rich). Now I don't attribute all those increases to the PPACA, but my annual rate increases went from around 15% to close to 30% up until this year when it dropped back to 14 and some odd fraction percent again. I assume there was an age step in there somewhere along the way. Not sure. My grandfathered policy BTW has a lower deductible and lower out of pocket cap than a great many of these exchange policies. I just don't get free mammograms and birth control pills, not that I need either.

 

Bankruptcies have been declining since 2010 when they peaked after the recession hit and the ACA did not go into effect until 2014. There is no indication in the trend line that suggests it had the effect you allege.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/bankruptcies

 

Nice try, using the old "Fox news" tactic to attempt to dismiss my post. You're wrong of course, but I suspect you already know that.

The plans WERE more expensive, because there was more coverage (as mandated by the ACA) -- the issue is that it was additional coverage I didn't want or need.

As for the idea that there are "more people insured" -- they are different people. More poor people became insured, while the middle class, self-employed, etc took the hit.

I am currently uninsured. Meanwhile my taxes pay for people like poster 'bwk' to be insured (and then to come on here and insult all of the rest of us because we don't support Obamacare.) Thanks but no thanks. How is that even remotely fair?

I wish I had all of the answers. I do wish they would drop some of the mandates regarding coverage, to allow some of the pre-ACA more affordable plans to return.

 

The USA , Greatest Country in the World , Spends the most for Health Care and gets the Least for it of the 12 most societies.

Why is that so? Because we have so many Lawyers ? Trump said Australia has Great Health Care.

They Have the Longest sustained growth in history so having great Health Care hasn't hurt their economy. Why can't we be great too?

 

Lol the GOP plan covers less people AND increases premiums

By 2026, average premiums in most of the country are expected to be about 20 percent lower under the plan than they would be under current law.

 

Tort reform would probably help, yes.

 

No it doesn't people like me can not choose maternity and substance abuse and lower premiums. People may decide no coverages that's on them and it the states that get to choose what happens if you do.

 

Those plans didn't survive because they were essentially fraudulent. It is easy to provide cheap coverage if you never intend to pay for anything.

 

I don't care what happens to other people quite frankly and seeing how completely wrong the CBO was on the PPACA score, I have no realistic expectation their current one is any better. What California does with its MediCal system is up to California and I don't live there or have a say in what they do or don't do with their money. It is their choice and the choice of 48 other states in which I do not live. What I do know is my state did not expand medicaid because we could not afford it but other efforts were made in the interim regarding health department clinics and such that we could afford. Medicaid is fairly worthless here anyway as insurance.

BTW just this week I took a relative to the ER who has no insurance, never has had insurance since becoming an adult, and he was treated. He just throws the bills in the trash. Doesn't get sued and hasn't been forced into bankruptcy. Hospitals largely do not spend money going after people they can never collect from to begin with.