I'm not a scientist so I don't like to get into the debate, but I don't see how a fetus can be considered human. Just not a solid argument that I can get behind. I respect the argument's moral message, truly do. But, I see nothing wrong with abortion. I support the woman's right to choose.
I don't really consider a fetus to be the equivalent of an alive baby, but it is still a human life form. It is a very primitive human life form that is not completely developed yet. I don't have a problem with abortion up during the first trimester. At some point, that fetus does become more "baby like" however. As a pregnant woman, you would feel the baby moving around inside of you. You see the certain body parts sticking out. I talked to them and bonded with them before they were even born. I couldn't wait to have my kids so I could finally SEE them and interact with them, and both of them were unplanned, I must admit. Lol! I don't love them any less than if they were planned. I've had two kids, both sons. Unfortunately, I lost one of my sons, so I only have one son now.
If my mother had wanted to abort me rather than have me, then I would rather she had aborted me. It is just the nature of a relationship--why would you expect her to love you more if you are not willing to love her enough to sacrifice for her? I am not a fan of elective abortion, but the reality is if you are willing to die to protect your family then you should be willing to die even in the womb.
I think it's clear you had no intelligent response to my posts so you got personal and that didn't work either
Thanks. I just don't want to confuse people. Sometimes I talk about having one child, and sometimes I mention that I had two children, so that is why.
I can't help but notice that those on this forum pushing antiabortion laws are not on that list! It is one and the same since no "wanted" pregnancies are being terminated. Those pushing antiabortion laws want others to do the work. They don't "want" the responsibility, so they make empty claims to care about these precious human beings. They only seek the appearance of caring. If they really care about human life, they can get off their computer and go make a difference. Instead, they wear their pro-life t-shirts like a participation trophy and feel good about themselves for "making a difference!" As far as millenials, I couldn't agree with you more. If they want free education, become a professor, and work for free!
This is one of the reasons why I steer clear of abortion topics. I was adopted ( so was my sister, although not from the same birth parents) Personally Im against abortion, but I realize every woman's situation is different, so I mind my own business. We all need to make our own choices. The abortions I find sickening is when they are done carelessly and as a form of BC...although I doubt that's the norm. Careless pregnancies are almost as bad. Emotionally ill equipped parents who resent their youth being taken away. As far as adopting, of-course most couples want a baby. They want the whole experience of parenthood. I was adopted at 3 weeks. People who adopt older kids are amazing imo. They would need to have a strong marriage, and be strong caring people themselves.
Because while there are 36 couples wanting to adopt for every child on the ready line...the adoption agencies tend to be very draconian in their guidelines. State of Maryland has billboards that say "You don't have to be perfect to be perfect parents.", but at the same time you have to be perfect enough that you make Mary Poppins look like a meth-addicted prostitute by comparison. My wife and I tried, but were refused because she has Diabetes. The fact that she goes to the Joslin Diabetes Center (one of the premier diabetes care centers in the US) and is well managed and has not had a serious episode in years...doesn't factor into their equations at all. Diabetes is a major medical condition and as such...Maryland disqualified us. Or at least that was the answer the agencies we contacted gave us. Either way...in their eyes sitting in foster care being bounced from home to home to home and having no stability is somehow more preferable than the kid seeing a potential future mommy pricking her finger a couple times a day and shooting up with some insulin.
I know several married couples who adopted teenagers after their own children had grown up and left home. To them it was where they saw the need and felt that they could make a difference. In both instances the adoptions were interracial and yet the adoptees were just welcomed into the family and worked out just fine. In my own limited opinion children of any age respond to feeling wanted and loved. That is what makes the difference in their lives.
That makes no sense whatsoever! Prospective adoptive parents are not going to be any different to all of the other parents out there so to set unrealistic expectations just means more children in foster care for no good reason. No one has "perfect" parents but it doesn't matter one iota as long as the children know that they are loved unconditionally. I doubt that my spouse and I would have passed such stringent tests either and yet we managed to raise a child who turned out to be normal and well adjusted. At some point there needs to be some realism injected into the process for the sake of the children rather than just mindless rules and regulations.
Agreed. While we do need to take all due diligence to make sure the children aren't placed in a bad situation, they need to consider that they have a huge problem with children in unstable and often uncaring foster systems and that they need to relax the rules to allow for human beings to adopt and not the "Practically Perfect in Every Way" couples that are few and far between.
Yes, it may be hard to adopt but there are MILLIONS of people who could if they tried, they haven't tried, kudos to you for trying.... .....there are still children in the system waiting for those "Life is precious" Anti-Choicers to adopt
No matter how many times you wail "Its the law!" you will not resolve the issue of whether the unborn is a person or not. You accomplish nothing with your wailing.
First, some abortions are for legitimate medical reasons (life of the mother at significant risk) even though the baby is wanted. Second, the "go do something" complaint is typical of pro-abortionists, and it is false. You do not have any contact with the pro-life people so you do not know. In my case, we are raising one child we adopted from an 18 year old who was going to get an abortion, and are in the process of adopting a second from a pregnant 25 year old who was considering abortion. We are not alone, you just don't see what is going on. You should "get off your computer" and see what is really happening.
No, but the law of the land HAS resolved the issue, it accomplishes the fact that a fetus is not a person. Now, maybe you could explain why you think deeming a fetus a "person" would change one thing about abortion laws???
Yes for 2 reasons which I have outlined in great detail many times in the various abortion threads. 1) in our society, the legal (innocent until proven guilty) and moral principles (first do no harm, Blackstones formulation) dictate the burden is to prove the unborn is not a person, failing to prove that means the unborn must be assumed to be a person with all the rights and protections every person receives. Simply passing a law does not resolve the issue. The issue has not been resolved, the unborn must be assumed to be a person. 2) my personal belief from direct medical experience is that the unborn are people. There should be laws outlawing abortion for convenience, but not when the life of the mother is truly at risk.
Aww. I'm sorry to hear that. Just because you have diabetes doesn't mean you are incapable of being a parent. Sounds a bit unfair to me.
It wasn't really a mistake. I just wasn't specific enough for you apparently. Do continue whining about it though. It is REALLY helping your argument.
Aren't abortion extremists insane though? Lol. You can't care about your unborn child! It's not a baby! Abortion is good! Abortion is nothing more than a necessary evil for some people. It isn't good. It shouldn't be encouraged. There is absolutely nothing wrong with considering your unborn child a baby and loving your unborn child. There is nothing wrong with deciding to have your baby and put it up for adoption and choosing not to abort it. Now stop with the ridiculous hyperbole and accept that other people have a different opinion than you, Mr. Fox Hastings.
