Republicans Become the Donner Party

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    With the temperamentally-unstable narcissist going through White House honchos as if they were trophy wives, the five-deferment military school brat fawns over generals and delights in toxic Wall Street landfill to displace his Washington "swamp."

    That leaves him with only Spiro T Pence as his tenuous liaison to the co-equal legislative branch of government. Pence appears to have mastered the art of the keep-your-head-down grovel, determined to survive until the Trump Justice Department's Special Counsel's intrepid investigative team, the Republican-run Senate's investigative committees, and the Republican-run House's investigative committees determine if Trump's operatives' numerous secret meetings with Putin's during the campaign constituted collusion in their common effort to elect Trump.

    Meanwhile, the GOP impotence is strutting itself on Capitol Hill as the Party's hapless, reputed "legislators" seem able to pass nothing but wind.

    Republican senators vs Republican senators. Republican representatives vs Republican representatives. Republican-run Senate vs Republican-run House. The cult of trumpery and their hysterically-tweeting messiah vs normal Republicans.

    There is something off-putting about a feeding frenzy of incestuous cannibalism, but there is no accounting for tastes, so it's best to simply wish Republicans, "Bon Appétit!"

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    Love your writing style. BIGLY.
     
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    Nice post. It's amazing that they can hold all 3 Legislative branches, and still accomplish next to nothing.
     
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    I am glad to see the GOP going thru a transition. The dems refuse to take a look in the mirror and they are losing elections. Now is the time for the GOP to go thru some changes. Dems are stuck in a rut and have no message. They are doomed.
     
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    If Democrats rely on the unprecedented unpopularity of trumpery, they will be making a big mistake.

    They must conscientiously return to prioritizing the interests of blue-collar Whites, a demographic that they largely abandoned and the slick pitchman enticed with his fake promises.

    Just because an increasing number of Americans acknowledge that Trump stinks does not mean they'll rally to Democrats. (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/)

    They should expect GOP office holders, especially in the Senate, to increasingly distance themselves from Trump, his unpopular policies, his hysterical tweets, his Russia scandal, and his failed agenda as the '18 elections approach.

    Even in the House, support for him could become an impediment to re-election. (As FiveThirtyEight observes, in 178 of the 241 House districts that Republicans won in 2016, the GOP candidate won by a larger margin than Trump did. In only 34 of the 241 districts that Republicans carried did Trump win by more than the GOP House candidate did. In the other 29 races, there was no Democrat on the ballot.)
     
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    I agree. Dems need to somehow include the working class in their policies.
     
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    Hard for a political party to include people they openly hate.
     
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    Yet every day liberals whine about them. Why is that? They are not in power to do as much as they are in power to undo. Congress is a bit screwed up at the moment, someone needs to get the RINO trash in line or out of Washington. Aside from that, Obama's eight year legacy has been reduced to the slowly dying Obamacare, and the Iran deal that won't last out another year. Mission accomplished! Congress need do nothing but pay for defense, deportations, the wall, and confirm conservative judges...
     
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    Democrats have lost control of the executive and both legislative branches of government because they have become GOP Light, pandering to the corporate elite because they have been bedazzled by the prospect of lavish campaign contributions.

    Trump lured away less-educated Whites with his fake promises while exploiting prejudices. Now that demographic is feeling used by the GOP.

    The failed Republican attempts to take healthcare away from tens of millions gives Democrats an opportunity.

    Increasingly, Republican supporters realize they were had, some by the exposure of the GOP's actual agenda, and some by their impotence in doing what thy had promised:

     
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    Obama's policies are still evident. Trump is benefitting from them, for the time-being. From the NY Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment.html

    Of course, as economists are fond of saying, correlation is not causation. Many of the trends Mr. Trump is benefiting from — falling unemployment, steady hiring, a rising stock market — were firmly in place under his predecessor, Barack Obama.

    And in the case of Friday’s jobs data, Mr. Trump is citing figures he called phony not long ago on the campaign trail.

    ....

    On the other hand, wage growth, the missing ingredient throughout the recovery, has remained tepid. The Labor Department said wages grew by 0.3 percent last month, bringing the 12-month gain to 2.5 percent, down from 2.8 percent a year ago.
     
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    The true white working class in industrial cities of the north, the back bone of labor , not the uneducated unskilled racist backward ignorant white riff raff in the south
     
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    You mean democratic candidates should have rallies with miners in VW instead of fundraisers with George Clooney? Come on, where is fun in that? LOL

    Or do you mean they should come out in force against NAFTA, outsourcing, illegal immigration....?. in other words they basically should run on Trump's platform and hope that we won't notice, right? :D And what will their corporate owners and globalist base say?

    Sorry dude, the Dems are screwed, first they insulted and disparaged the working people (remember the basket of deplorables?), then they spent months trying to disenfranchise them and overturn the outcome of the election they won. It will take generations to win those voters back.
     
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    Both parties pander to fat cats, but pretending that coal is the next big thing was shameless. The industry is not coming back. The demographic that Trump scammed is already starting to realize they were hoodwinked.

    Clinton was far too "generalistic" regarding the percentage of Trump's patsies that she estimated are the "deplorables." The neo-nazis and such extreme rightists who worship him as their "Glorious Leader" form a much smaller percentage of his fan base.

     
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    Both parties do indeed pander to fat cats and that is exactly why Trump and not an establishment republican or democrat got elected.....

    And if you imagine for a second that the people will buy essentially Trump's platform from the dems which is what you advocate, think again, they will see right through it, no one will be fooled, no one will be buying The left has burned very serious bridges in 2016 and making things worse for themselves in 2017.

    And good luck running on this "the industry isn't coming back and some people are indeed deplorable" meme. Don't forget to include "we will drive lots of miners out of business" to assure a complete electoral wipeout lol
     
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    Democrats have lost control of government at every level because they're all about hate. They despise regular Americans and traditional America.

    How can you expect to be given the keys to American government when everyone knows you hate America?
     
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    True but liberal elites actually hate anyone who isn't them.
     
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    Democrats lost the house due to a well played move in 2010 to win specific seats throughout multiple smaller elections and use those state seats to gerrymander more friendly districts. They lost the White House because Hillary was doing a victory lap and should have been campaigning. They lost the Senate due to some well run elections by Republicans, but you get falsely generalize. The rest of us will look at things objectively.
     
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    We can, one day, have an adult discussion about this, because as has always been the case, no major political party is monolithic, but rather, a coalition of divergent groups who at least agree on enough core points that that particular party espouses in order to be able to live with each other and vote for "their guy".

    The larger the majority for a party, the greater the danger that there may be an intra-party-wing large enough to derail the agenda of the party in power. As we can see in the Senate, you only need 3 R Senators willing to buck the trend and then the legislation is DOA. On the other side, the minority party in the Senate, under the leadership of Chuck Schumer (D-NY), only 4 members less than the R majority (when you include the two Is who caucus practically every time with the Ds), has displayed an amazing amount of unity. Of course, despising the current president is helping to keep that caucus together, I would wager to say. Anger can be a strong motivator and unifier.

    But yeah, the Rs control all three branches of Govt and the only positive thing (for them) that has happened has been the Gorsuch nomination, a SCOTUS seat that the Ds will remind everyone was stolen since the Rs stalled Obama's nominee for about one year.

    I can imagine that it is hard for Republicans who have sweat and toiled in the Senate for a long time to suffer a President from their own party who displays this much ignorance, this much lack of interest and who lies pretty much on a daily basis. Pretty much goes against everything they have been extolling about their party for the last 70 years. For someone like Orrin Hatch, who has lived through many Presidents and many, many congresses, that has to hurt.
     
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    As trumpery self-destructs and Americans consistently express their strong disapproval of it, you appear to fixate on a failed candidate from 2016.

    Yes, Trump's neo-nazis and other extremist elements that call him their "Glorious Leader" are quite deplorable, but, contrary to your candidate of yesteryear, they do not comprise anywhere near half of his support.

    Rather, most of the less-educated White voters he scammed are the "...people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

    Their now being the targets of trumpery, their witnessing his eagerness to slash Medicaid upon which so many of them depend after he had repeatedly promised them to protect it, his lie about coal mining thriving again being exposed - with even its industry leaders admit is not going to happen - allows reality to displace the phony sales pitch.

    Don't underestimate and take these folks for granted. They are not as stupid as Trump's hardcore cheerleaders like to believe.
     
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    What is this??? Chopped liver???
     
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    That explains a lot about why the GOP excludes all minorities.
     
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    Your alienation from the vast majority of Americans who disapprove of trumpery as you parrot your "hate" meme is silly. The ideologically-driven snivelers who whine about most Americans hating America cannot be taken seriously. Trumpers and anti-Trumpers demonizing each other is not in tune with reality, nor in the interests of the nation.
     
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    The dems are more like dead meat unless they change direction. The American people are tired of the left wing commie crapola.
     
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    Tell me if you would; in your mind what exactly is a "commie"??
     
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    That's exactly right, these are the people who carried Trump across the finish line in swing states, these are the people he has rallies with and makes promises to. They don't expect miracles but they do expect an effort, due diligence and at least some progress and if Trump does not move a finger for them, if their lives and prospects are not at least a little better by 2020 they will not show up at the polls to vote for him. It's a sad day though when the only hope of the dems and libs and progs is that Trump somehow fails to help these hard-working, 'forgotten' americans.

    Exactly, they are not stupid indeed. Your suggestion that the dems hijack Trump's pro-working people platform and that's all it's going to take and these people will happily march to the DNC to donate and volunteer is absurd, they'll see right through this. You leftists burned too many bridges and lost them for a generation. Your only hope is that Trump fails and they will not show up at the polls, there is absolutely no way your corrupt elitist corporate leadership and leftist, globalist, working-man despising, white people/Christian hating base can convince them to vote for the Dems any time soon.
     
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