Right Wing Economics

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  1. Old Trapper

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    Guess that is why smaller companies tend to go underground with their cables. At least that is what they did where I lived at in Iowa (and that was before Obama was elected), and what they do here in Oregon where I now live.
     
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    You seem to always have a problem with reading comprehension. What is there about "Obama's changes" that you cannot comprehend?
     
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    But you said it would be more expensive. Which way is it?
     
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    That is what my city is doing. Very labor intensive and time consuming when you have to navigate all the underground utilities infrastructure already there though. Have read a few stories about cities that got impatient and strung it from poles and learned very quickly what a huge mistake that was. I have fiber at work. Took them several months just to do that street which is only about a half mile long because it was a lot of surveying, hand digging etc. to get the chase in before they could run the actual fiber through it.
     
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    actually their jobs are in their best interest and Democrats sent them all to China !!!
     
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    you mean they vote for the commonweal rather than to steal money from dead people? Thats very honorable and the way democracy is supposed to work!!

    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
    -Benjamin Franklin
     
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    it didn't kill it but it certainly did not encourage it, obviously.
     
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    Now your claim is that Bob Dole, and G.W. Bush 43, among others, are Democrats.
     
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    Yes, that is why there are thousands of individual companies providing the service, and only a few major monopolies.
     
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    no idea what you mean? Care to try again?
     
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    Naturally. It takes intelligence to understand what was written in the article I posted, and you said you read.
     
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    What a lame post.
    Government requires money to run - who better to get money from than rich, dead people???
    "steal money from dead people" - I assure you, they don't mind...:p
     
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    if that is my claim I will pay you $10,000. Bet?
     
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    why so afraid to tell us what you mean?? Ever see a conservative who is afraid to engage?
     
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    People and businesses need money to run and they don't get it at gunpoint the way the govt does!

    There are two distinct classes of men - those who pay taxes and those who receive and live upon taxes.
    Thomas Paine

    "We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."

    -- Thomas Paine
     
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    Ben Franklin was lame for teaching you that democracy was not intended to be a way for the majority to steal at gunpoint from the minority


    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
    -Benjamin Franklin
     
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    Ben was not against taxation or government - just abuse of government - we have abuse of government now, as in taking tax dollars and not spending them on our armed forces, but giving the money to private mercenaries armies for profit - as in Blackwater or whatever they call themselves now.
    The inheritance tax excludes the vast majority of Americans - it only impacts millionaires - and they still get to pass the majority of their money on.
    Where to you think money to run government should come from?
     
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    Free markets are inherently unstable not because they're under-regulated but because they permit direct competition. There can be no manufacturing or publishing monopolies in a free market so it's virtually impossible for large companies to survive let alone dominate. But there is also less of a disparity of wealth in free markets because there is more opportunity for individuals to employ themselves. Free markets are democratic meritocracies in which the success of a business is decided by consumer choice.

    Stability is the hallmark of over-regulated captive markets. Captive markets are captive because they prohibit direct competition. They protect large monopolies that not only dominate but effectively function as privately managed government agencies. The lack of opportunity for individuals to employ themselves makes the vast majority of people dependent on jobs. The high demand for jobs creates a persistent failure of monopsonistic labor markets, giving employers the advantage over wage negotiations thus necessitating unions, minimum wages, welfare etc. And, with most people working, it's easier for the government to collect income taxes- i.e. slavery.

    The right wing doesn't support the free market, they support the captive market with fewer regulations on monopolies.
    The left wing doesn't support the free market either, they support the over-regulation and taxation of monopolies.

    The only way to support the free market is to support an amendment to repeal the 'copyright' clause of the USC- article 1, section 8, clause 8.
     
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    Are you really so stupid as to not even understand what you write? Honestly? You said:

    "actually their jobs are in their best interest and Democrats sent them all to China !!!"

    Bob Dole gave us the WTO, and while Clinton did not give China full membership Bush43 did. Under Bush millions of jobs went to China, and those like Trump are still sending them there even as Romney did.

    Now, where is my $10,000 stupid?
     
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    James Madison:

    "The great object [of political parties] should be to combat the evil: 1. By establishing a political equality among all. 2. By withholding unnecessary opportunities from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and especially an unmerited, accumulation of riches. 3. By the silent operation of laws, which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigence towards a state of comfort.

    Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

    Thomas Paine: Rights of Man, Part the Second, 1792

    “I had come to realize the importance of the Nation, and of shared, communal, social responsibility, to be held as equally important as individual concerns. The elderly, the widowed, newly married couples, the poor, the unemployed, disbanded soldiers and children, who would be required to attend school, must be provided for from state funds. And all this support is not the nature of charity, but of a right.” — Rights of Man, Part the Second, 1792

    George Washington:

    "America will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property.”

    Thomas Jefferson:

    "I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree is a politic measure, and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not the fundamental right to labour the earth returns to the unemployed. It is too soon yet in our country to say that every man who cannot find employment but who can find uncultivated land, shall be at liberty to cultivate it, paying a moderate rent. But it is not too soon to provide by every possible means that as few as possible shall be without a little portion of land."
     
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    No, they just buy off the politicians, and then use their "guns" to take from the poor to give to the rich.
     
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    1) can you present your best example of one bought off politician or is this more BSing?
    2) if someone buys off a politician it is illegal and not capitalism
    3) guns to take from the poor. Best example or more liberal BSing?
     
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    unrepresentative quotes of course given that our founders created a very very tiny tiny conservative Republican central govt with only a few carefully spelled out enumerated powers. 1+1=2
     
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    we want free trade so we all get richer. For example, if China invents a cure for cancer we want to be able to buy it from them or trade with them for it. Do you grasp this? But, we don't want to give the Chinese an advantage while trading such as taxing our trades at the highest rate in the world. Make sense now?
     
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    he was against a basic conflict of interest,namely, people on welfare voting for more welfare ie he was against using democracy or democratic theft , instead of a job, to earn a living! Now do you understand?
     

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