Ukraine removes all 1320 statues of Lenin.

more people have been killed in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history = should cities like St Paul, Sao Paolo, St Petersburg, etc change their names and remove all statues to them?

 

Predictable deflection. Apparently progressives don't want to explain why they have a monument to Lenin in one of their cities.

 

Don't ask me as I couldn't point to Seattle on a map. Ask someone who is from there.

But give my question some thought since it is a valid issue.

 

You won't answer my question so why should I answer yours?

 

I cannot answer for people in Seattle. Never been there and have no idea of its history.

But as someone who lives in a city named for a mass murderer, I say let's take a consistent position on this issue. After all, Saul of Tarsus was a convicted killer and today he is called St Paul. This should answer to your query on Lenin.

 

You're a fellow left-wing progressive. The same ideology you believe in is the dominant ideology present in Seattle, one of the most liberal cities in the country. So why would they erect a statue of Lenin, there?

I understand how eager you are to redirect the conversation to Christianity, where you can go on the offensive instead of playing defense, but I won't allow it. Answer my question.

 

because the Nazis learned this issue form the Russians before

 

What laughable phoniness!

 

Actually, that's what the Spaniards did to all manner of artistic and historical works of the Azteks, Mayans, and Inkas.

 

Your comment did not surprise me. You always protect the Nazis.

 

My guess is they will be melted down to make rounds for the military

 

Should have just added a bronze informational plaque: FAILED UTOPIAN MARXIST.

 

Yep, any statues actually erected during the civil war should be left standing.

 

True, but we could do the China plan in regards to their slave labor impoverished NK. Somehow, over our urging them to stop, Ukraine gets 8 to 10 low yield crude nuclear bombs and simplistic Crud type missiles capable of carrying them that are marginally accurate with a range of maybe 6-700 miles - all made mostly with American made parts. Time to time we would agree with Russia and urge Ukraine to stop threatening to attack Moscow with nuclear tipped missiles, while explaining Russia should stop acting in a threatening manner and that Ukaine only made these to prevent a Russia attack, like Russia did in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

 

Same as people removing confederates. That flattened and decolored "black/white" image of history that they are trying to create will collapse.

That it'll turn out those soviet governors who failed to supply food in UkrSSR were actually ukrainians, and that actual number of famine's victims in Ukraine is way lesser if we take out the "birth deficit" added to it during Yuschenko's presidency, or that during American Civil war slavery-practicing states fought on both sides, and that run away slaves from south often have been turned back by boys wearing blue.

People do not feel comfortable with controversial history. Especially the politicians.

 

Yet the politicians who represented them have been the ones who lead them into this "age of oppression".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Creation_of_the_USSR

Discussed, printed, signed - with ukrainians.

Good moral could be learned out of that - to be more responsible and careful when it comes to politics. Instead - a government of populists, ultra-right political party having seats in parlament and a civil war that started after riots and gunfights IN. THE. CAPITAL. OF DEMOCRATIC. STATE. IN XXI CENTURY.

Responsible and careful people need to be.

 

Only it was not so simple, Lee was loyal soldier of USA for years and fought against Mexico and apparently on Cuba, and opposed idea of seccession but when was choosing between his state and USA chose Virginia. That is from what I know and gathered from rechecking Wiki for less than a minute.

Wars, especially when among people of same country, are never as simple as that summary of yours.

 

Gonna Lenins be sold?
A nice business for failed beggars from Kiev.

 

Doubt they are.

Appears your left are only "left" by measures of USA. Unless the ultra-right folks from Eastern Europe will march right into their cozy yappy homes, waving red-black flags and wearing swaztica bands - they won't bother whose actions they approve.

 

But now they have the IMF interests to exploit their labor and resources. And of course many get to die fighting for the benefit of their new banker kings, so it should be a glorious future

 

Bolsheviks didn't liked ANY "kulaks" because it was an excuse to expropriate food for Red Army during the civil war.

Guess from whom was taking food the White Army. Usually with same result.

Also the intervents, the various rebels, and the "green army" - peasant mobs, often formed from surviving kulaks, striving to take back the stolen.


Allow me to disappoint you, your yankies and jhonnies were taking supplies from peasants too during their joyful expedition in Siberia. The same peasants.

Just like every army was doing it across the world back in that age. Every army, everywhere.

 

My congratulations, you forgot already that modern Ukraine formed from region of Russian Empire, that they fought in Red Army as well as in all the other forces that fought in this war, and that THEIR politicians were among those who signed document that created USSR and it's centralised government - that removed control of it from people of both Ukraine and Russia, as well as from people of Belarus and Zakavkazie.

But keep removing statues, keep trying to rewrite history. USSR tried that too, and ended up taken apart by the people.

 

Since when? Examples and explanations, be polite and deliver there.

 

Well, majority of them, it seems, have been erected on private funds in memory of confederate veterans when they started dying from old age.

 

From that point in more details. Somehow I didn't noticed our media saying anything about.. Did I understood correctly and you just said your state provides nuclear weapons to government formed via a coup after a few month of violent riots and that has started a civil war on it's own soil? To that government you are giving nuclear bombs?

And so it won't be demagogedry, start the answer with providing prooflinks.