US fighter jets are taking over a policing mission on Russia's borders in Europe

Especially if it is with a nuclear power that can wipe Good Ol USA off the face of the map.

We have no need to rebuild the military ... we are more than capable of defending ourselves against any realistic threat. We should be focusing on getting rid of our obsolete (or soon to be obsolete) military stuff rather than building more.

In the very near future it will be machines (drones and so on) doing most of the fighting. A floating city of metal filled with manned fighter jets is already obsolete against modern missile technology ... and this reality only gets more stark with time.

 

I don't make up nonsense, and I don't live vicariously through litwin FYI.





Wonderful carrier and planes they are.

 

Wonderful....gee using technology we used 20+ years ago, that's why you'll always be #2,or 3 or 4, anyway best of luck.

Well you should maybe modernize...you have China next door,,they have eye on Siberia. I hear they want it?

 

Come on, have more faith in your military. It literally can not be that bad. It is even already in active service, hence probably it is in adequate shape. Otherwise a living pilot would've never stepped inside.

I am sure your government does well with modernisation of army, not worse than mine does.

 

Well, show me a tank in USA army that is as modern as ours. Unlike for some - for us army is an instrument of defence and not a democracy delivering service for Middle East. That every time gets order wrong and instead brings anarchy and destruction.

 

This is from July of 2017

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/f-35s-at-luke-air-force-base-grounded-indefinitely-1796038009

Has something changed that I am not aware of ?

They have been trying to "get the kinks worked out" for over a decade. You are speaking out your backside in relation to performance.

Reviews by nations previously wanting to buy these planes have been horrible. "cant turn, cant climb, cant run"

"Its a Turkey" "Its an inherently a terrible airplane because its and airplane built from a dumb idea"

 

Well, to give a fair credit - you do modernise military equipment. Your coutry just depends more on fleet than on ground force.

 

Don't be to hard on Russia for not focusing to much energy on producing obsolete (or soon to be obsolete) floating metal cities.

What they did do was focus their energy on missile technology. After the wall fell they knew they could not match the US ship for ship, plane for plane. What they did was focus on niche technologies such as missile technology. You can build a whole lot of anti ship missiles for the cost of an aircraft carrier.

In the 90s Russia unveiled the "Sunburn" super sonic anti ship cruise missile. This was at least a decade ahead of anything the US had and ships had no reasonable defense. Since then these missiles have gotten much faster, better and they are smart.

These missile skim just above the ocean and are not detected until they break the horizon at which point the ship has roughly 45 seconds to react.

Russia made the right decision (credit where credit is due). With the advance of computer technology and drone technology these missiles have improved at a rate much faster than the ability to defend.

Right now our carrier groups are sitting ducks .... the second generation were "hypersonic" cutting reaction time down around 20 to 25 seconds and are smart .. making evasive maneuvers prior to impact.

This technology continues to improve. The latest is the Zircon which are even faster, smarter and even more dangerous.

"Russia builds an 'unstoppable' 4,600mph cruise missile that could sink the Royal Navy's new £6bn aircraft carriers with a single strike"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lops-unstoppable-4-600mph-cruise-missile.html

 

Go read the other stuff I posted ... It is quite bad.

 

Obsolete cities of metal ? Refer to post 83 por favor.

 

Modern as what of yours...armata? Really? We have Abrams, one of the best on the market. Nothing compares currently unless German Leopard.

Really, you mean russki military doesn't bring anarchy and destruction, ya don't say. Ask afghans from 80s, gruzia2008, LDPR currently.

 

Which is second to none.

 

Carrier groups might be sitting ducks, but they take the fight where it's needed, and it works too.

 

Not advanced enough to defeat all the others put together

What we dont spend in money and support for the military now we will pay in blood during the next big war

 

Who exactly is "all the others"? Do you mean China, Russia?
If China, mmmmm, yeah, we might run outta bullets, there's lots of them.
Russia?? Their nukes are their saving grace afaic. What we have stationed in eastern Europe in terms of manpower &equipment, we could be in Moscow in 48 hrs.or less.
Anyone else wouldnt even dream of it.

 

Carrier groups don't work so well when sitting at the bottom of the Ocean.

 

You've been watching too many hollywood movies

But if it does come down to a cyber war it appears that our enemies are better prepared for it than we are

 

Lol, well if one happens to hit bottom, the other SOB is in for one world of a hurt...literally!

 

What are you talking about ? Combat Drones are a reality as are self driving cars. We may be behind Russia on missile technology but we are busting our backsides to catch up. We are already testing unmanned planes and ships. Do you seriously think there will be less of this in the future? http://www.lockheedmartin.ca/us/what-we-do/aerospace-defense/unmanned-systems.html


You need to read scientific american from time to time .... but seriously ... AI is advancing rapidly.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-6-most-exciting-ai-advances-of-2016/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/news/computers_math/artificial_intelligence/

 

Hurt from what ? Nukes ? Send another carrier group and it too will find the bottom of the sea. Russia can send 10,000 missiles, costing 1 million each, for the cost of one aircraft carrier (never mind the total costs of the group)... not that anywhere near this many would be required.

The bottom line here is that we probably do not want to be shooting Russian planes out of the sky on a whim and all this chest thumping ... "we are untouchable" is based in fantasy from days gone buy.

What is more concerning is that this technology is not limited to Russia. India China and Russia have been combining forces on development.
Places like Syria and Iran are buying the last generation stuff ... which is still really good.

We need to stop doing stupid things by throwing away Trillions on pointless wars and obsolete military technology. This is seriously harming our long term national security. We need to be focusing on technology and ramping up our economy to compete in the third millennium and stop having China do it for us.

 

So it's fine if Russia flies into no fly zones....unannounced...harasses our planes, bases etc. So let's not shoot at them.


So if Syria, Iran are buying, then China or Russia supplying them?


Well I'll agree with the China thing...we don't need the chinos contributing to our technology.

Getting back the first ...we won't need to send another carrier to get to the bottom, since Russia won't exist after the first went to the bottom.

 

I thought scramjets only operate at very high altitudes. I doubt it can maintain that speed at sea level.

 

1) It is not that uncommon for Russia to harass our planes and ships if we are doing maneuvers near their territory.... and no we do not shoot at them ... nor do they shoot at us when we do this.

2) Syria and Iran was supplied by Russia.

 

While it can be used low trajectory it also has a semi ballistic mode. Not sure if it hit's those speeds in low trajectory mode. It does not need to be that stealthy at those speeds. There is currently no way to reliably stop something going that fast and even if you manage to hit it the kinetic impact of shrapnel is enough to do serious damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zircon_(missile)

Another concern is the range if this missile ~620 miles

 

All that stuff depends on computers and it appears the enemy can hack into our databases and steal our secrets anytiime they want

But drones are only one layer of the battlefield

They will not replace people on the ground anytime soon