The Syrian War is Ending and Assad is the Victor

I know what I wrote above.

Did you?

US/UK/Qatari-backed Wahhabist terrorists had been butchering their way across the country.

You call that 'not getting involved'?

 

Hence China and Russia want non of that on Syria, and non of that on North Korea.
The US just messed up their kudo's on Gadaffi and Saddam.

 

You are pathetically ill informed..

 

Enter the neocon spokesperson

 

Obama attacked Libya, a country that was literally zero threat to the U.S. and turned Libya into a lawless nation that is a haven for ISIS and jihadists. Obama helped arm the war in Syria that has killed nearly a million people, created millions of refugees and homeless, and destroyed the nation's cities and infrastructure.

I didn't want a war in either country. But if the people of those countries are determined to go to war with themselves, that is their business. It is not the business of the USA.

 

Libyan refugees were flooding into Italy.

 

So you go to war over that? War and lawlessness creates refugees!

How about documenting the refugees and repatriating them when the war is over instead of destroying the whole country?

 

How so?

 

The US was not in control of Libya.. Gadaffi had African mercenaries for his police and army. He'd thrown out the constitution in 1970. The tibes hated him.. especially the Eastern tribes.

 

Some Western journalists tried to reinvent Gadaffi as a decent guy.. He was NOT that. He was an ignorant Bedouin with illusions of grandeur and a cruel streak. Actually, he was crazy.

 

He was the darling of the West only a few years before they turned on him.

Anyway, regardless of whether he was crazy or not, his country was targeted for regime change, by Sarkozy and Bernard-Henri Levy as much as the Neocons and Clinton, and all came together along with the Brits and Qatari's to support the Wahhabi/Salafist scum that wanted him out, and they began the regime change. A similar model of regime change via Wahhabi proxies was tried in Syria, even using some of the same Jihadists and weapons, which were shipped there from Libya.

He was going to create a new African currency called the Dinar you see, which was to be based on his huge gold reserves.

This would have threatened the Dollar and French Franc as the major African currencies...

Nobody knows what happened to his gold.

I could guess though...

 

Oh another conspiracy theory.

Libya has always had a gold dinar and a central bank since 1956.

 

The conspiracy theory is what you think happened.

Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention

'Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention.

Though the French-proposed U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 claimed the no-fly zone implemented over Libya was to protect civilians, an April 2011 email [archived here] sent to Hillary with the subject line “France’s client and Qaddafi’s gold” tells of less noble ambitions.

The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”

Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency. In place of the noble sounding “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) doctrine fed to the public, there is this “confidential” explanation of what was really driving the war [emphasis mine]:'

 

TOTAL is a French oil company that was already in Libya.

 

Whataboutery.

All the evidence one needs to know exactly what was going on is contained in the hacked emails.

Regime change 101, but you've swallowed the accompanying fabricated narrative which the U.S. state department put out for the media to disseminate, just like Iraq, and just like Syria.

 

I used to live in Tripoli across from the US embassy and down the street from the palace.

 

Under Obamas order... I noticed your op didn't mention him anywhere. Why is that?

 

With respect, that doesn't alter the damning evidence contained in the hacked emails.

 

We can all agree that he was a poor leader. I did not like him any more than you did. That is still not justification for bombing the government out of existence, turning Libya into a lawless, failed state, when his country is no threat to ours, and it was not threatening or attacking any of our allies or friends. Effectively, Margot, we assassinated him by firing Hellfire missiles at his convoy, stopping it, at which time he was captured and quickly shot.

Obama should have just let Libya sort out its own internal strife, and we could have dealt with whatever the outcome was. This is also true of Syria. We did not help that country by arming and training a bunch of rebels whose loyalties are suspect. I know Assad is a bad guy, but what we did led to the rise of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and now I believe the death toll in that country is approaching a million, (not to mention the death toll in Iraq) and there are millions of refugees and homeless. We did that, Margot.

I am a proud American, but I am not proud of this. So don't tell me Obama will go down in history as a very good president. He's got the blood of a million or more people on his hands that he shouldn't have. By extension, we all do, thanks to him. And thanks to Hillary Clinton too.

 

Gadaffi promised a blood bath.... and Assad was committing genocide. Obama didn't want a war and neither did the American public.Sometimes all your choices suck and there are no guarantees.

 

Then you pick the choice that sucks the least. In the case of Libya and Syria, that choice was to just leave them alone.

You may recall that we had our own bloodletting in the 1860s. Terrible thing. I can't even imagine turning a gun on my fellow Americans, but we did it. And what a bloody slaughter it was. But we determined our future, didn't we? When other countries go through this, we just have to let them, I'm afraid. It sucks, but I don't want responsibility for them, nor do I want to fuel their wars. If they choose to destroy themselves, I don't want any part of it.

 

Obama gives orders and Pentagon and CIA is expected to implement them competently.

Pentagon and CIA failed the competence test.

They appear to be able to bomb the bejesus out of countries killing huge numbers of civilians. However, they don't have competence in managing the aftermath of their megadeath fiascos.

 

The biggest problem over the last couple of years was trying to defeat ISIS without weakening ISIS too much so ISIS could help get rid of Assad. A very weak ISIS or a defeated ISIS in Syria only strengthens Assad position.

Far as I'm concerned, this whole ISIS, Assad thing has been crazy since the beginning.

 

Fat chance that will happen.

 

It's the same deplorables who voted for Trump.