"When History’s Losers Write the Story" [Confederate Statues]

I'm a son of both. The war is over.

My mother's from Indiana. Two of my Maternal great great grandfather's fought for the Union in the 19th Indiana Regiment.

My father is from Alabama. My direct Paternal great great grandfather fought for the 13th Kentucky.

Both are me. Equal.

Rectify that! Millions like me.

Oh, I'm 12% Porch Creek Indian.

 

You mean just tear down statues honoring those who fought, bled, and died on all sides? ^_-

 

so we should have left the statues of Hitler?

 

It takes a special kind of denialism to reject that soldiers fought to defend their country, and maintain defining the soldiers not by their own motivations and wills but by the actions of their political leaders.

Gee, it's almost like you didn't even read the op - I already pre-emptively responded to the dumpster grabage.

 

I really don't care about your personal gggrandpappy's history -- both of whom fought for the Union. It's meaningless in this larger debate.

Rect!-ify.

 

Me looking for where there was ever a public statue of Hitler in Germany.

 

They fought to defend the stated goals of preserving, protecting and expanding slavery, in perpetuity - and those political leaders that led them and ennobled human bondage were voted in by those soldiers year after year after year after year after year....

 

Then let us fight the ****ing war against ourselves again!

Into it we we're brothers, out of it we were brothers. All Americans! Family.

Paperview, you've larger issues. The generation that fought the Civil War reconciled, it's their call, let it be.

Cheers

 

"They" fought for their State.

 

lol. You said you were "a son of both" then cite both of your ggg kin fought for the Union cause....oooookay.

And the generation that fought it *did* reconcile -- it was the azzhats afterwards who wanted to find every way possible to deny rights to all blacks again, short of re-enslaving them. (and in fact many did re-enslave them, to the point where when those statues were going up late 19th, early 20th, nearly 40% of the blacks in the south were in peonage bondage. ) --

Blacks were nearly fully disenfranchised. In Miss. ---> even though they represented 57% of registered voters after the war, late 1800's ---> .04%

Mindboggling. They stripped them, clean. Never mind the horrific other human rights violations they were subjected to.

You seem to be forgetting a large part of *that* southern population. Some of which accounted for majority populations in some states.

On purpose?

 

No real romantic defense for the soldiers of the South is possible,much less reasonable or defensivle, Troiani (love the name)

 

That is YOUR opinion, and you are entitled to it. . . . I agree that the flag and statues are commemorative reminders, but not ONLY to honor the fallen soldiers.

To many, they are symbolic of a defiant effort to keep the ideology of the Confederacy alive. . . . The Confederate flag has become a universal symbol of white supremacy, and one of the most radical groups is called "Confederate Knights of America.

President Trump has condemned white supremacists as a hate group. . . . Should their legacy be celebrated on public property???

 

Yes there is. You are just too closed minded to understand.

Open your mind place yourself in 1850ish, deep south. Farmers, not tenement farmers but less, share crop, white trash. Not volunteers but forced.

Read a ****ing book!

 

Yes

 

Bull ****, you are smart enough to know the difference between a glorifying statue and a soldiers memorial.

Grow up!

 

Funny isn't it that the majority of statues were erected after 1912 to 1924 during and just after the reign of Woodrow Wilson. Most were sponsored by Democrats serving in the halls of Congress. Since the KKK has been recognized as a hate group one has to ask why a noted leader/chief KKK'er and Senator should be allowed to have his name on highways, bridges, Libraries and other government facilities. If the Progressive Democratic Party Left is so bent on hiding and destroying the history of their past, why do they still cling to the history and facades created by this man?

 

Many of the Wehrmact were equally supportive of the Reich. And, yes, Conscription was issued by the South more than a year before that of the Union. You just don't get it.

 

Play partisan games all you want The fact remains that these statues were erected NOT by Wilson (as if that matters in the least) but by supporters of Jim Crow...which was prevalent and virulent in those years

 

When you can tell the truth, we can talk. Until then your analysis is crap.

 

Don't ask me. . . . I won't defend him.

 

Radio.

1930's

The automobile

Trains

Aviation.

Different place, different time.

 

JakeStarkey said: Many of the Wehrmact were equally supportive of the Reich. And, yes, Conscription was issued by the South more than a year before that of the Union. You just don't get it.

Erm . . . technology does not change the soul.

 

Many memorials were dedicated in the early 20th century, decades after the Civil War. Research by the Southern Poverty Law Center concluded that such monument building was part of widespread campaigns to promote and justify Jim Crow laws in the South.
In the late 19th century, technology innovations in the granite and bronze industries helped reduce costs, and made monuments more affordable for small towns. The year 1911, which was both the 50th anniversary of the start of the Civil War and part of the period referred to by historians as the "nadir of American race relations", saw the largest number constructed. Companies looking to capitalize off of this opportunity often sold nearly identical copies of monuments to both the North and South.[8] Another wave of monument construction coincided with the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–196 and the American Civil War Centennial.[9]. Thirty two Confederate monuments were dedicated between 2000 and 2017, but not all were new monuments, several were re-dedications to mark the 100 year anniversary of their construction.
the Civil Rights movement, times of increased racial tension.

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Chart illustrating the number of Confederate monuments, schools and other iconography established by year. According to the SPLC, most of these were put up either during the Jim Crow era or during the Civil Rights movement, times of increased racial tension.

 

You just shot yourself in the ass

 

On the basis of your response, I would question YOUR maturity.