Defeating the bogeyman of single payer healthcare

No interest in what is going on in the UK or reforms occurring in Canada ?? Do your homework.

 

You will learn more from reading it yourself. And it's not his data - it's readily available.

 

I am intimately familiar with what is going on in Canada.

tell ya what. You take your own advice and then get back to me when you are suitably well informed.

 

But it IS CHEAPER.

 

The NHS isn't collapsing.. You might want to read some additional sources. 25 years ago I would have balked at single payer, but by 2000 I knew we had exhausted other ways.

Single payer is NOT like the VA.

 

Yep way cheaper. Interestingly the US only has1 bed more for every 10,000 people than America than the UK.

And here's a little bit of info that shows that in America patients can wait quite some time for a bed as well.

https://projects.propublica.org/emergency/

 

We have a national, well loved single payor program already. It's called Medicare. It's much more cost effective at providing health care than the private insurance system.

Make Medicare for all.

 

We've already had massive cuts in spending since 2009, and proportionally, are spending less than most years Reagan was in office.

 

Good luck getting rid of the US single payor health care system called Medicare. It's a very popular system. That's well documented. And it provides health care much more cost effectively than the private insurance system.

 

So you oppose state's setting up their own single payer system?

 

And for some reason the debt just kept marching up, crazy math huh? You're like this guy I knew in my younger days, all his cards were max'd out and he could only pay the interest but thought because he reduces the amount of spending "He didn't have" by half he was somehow doing better! He just couldn't grasp the concept that until he got his spending low enough to have surplus he was just wiping his ass with poop

 

Apparently you are not.

 

They ration by making patients wait. I didn't realize that waiting in ambulances was part of the strategy however.

 

But it is - Google "collapse of the NHS" & "collapse of the Canadian health care system"

 

I'm very familiar with Medicare. I would switch to premium vouchers in a heartbeat to purchase high deductible policy combined with a health savings account. That is a vastly superior way to provide health insurance and favorable tax treatment of medical expenses at a less expensive cost.

 

So what ?? It's not the beds - it's the treatment and equipment. How does the number of MRI and CAT Scan equipment per 10K compare ??

Again so what ?? Those emergency room times are actually very good.

 

Sure. Perhaps you could post a link. As far as I can tell absolutly nobody takes him seriously.

 

That's funny - an MD who has written a medical school textbook on MRI of the brain and spine is not taken seriously.

Perhaps you should read his book (one of many) and learn something from 300 pages with footnotes and references than depend on Googled internet articles which agree with your preconceptions.

 

The fact that you have learned nothing that you can post or explain is hardly an endorsement of the book. And there are no Internet articles discussing the information in his book. Obviously nobody has paid any attention and since you clearly didn't learn anything I will pass.

 

We got on to the issue of beds because of the OP. Of course in the US hospital bed occupancy rates are around 63% whill

I am well aware of the issues surrounding OHIP. If you arent seriously sick or injured you basically relegated to the bottom of the to do list. OTOH, and I have experienced this direct a number of times, if you are seriously sick or injured you go to the front of the line and the care there is excellent.


BTW, those emergency room times should be better very good considering the cost.

 

Hilarious.

 

In the US we don't have that problem which is why those Canadians who can afford it come to the US.

 

Actually it is rather pathetic that you claim to have read a 300 page book and yet have apparently learned absolutly nothing of any value that you can either explain or pass on for discussion. If I had to guess I would say you haven't read the book and are just quoting some nonsense from a blog which is why you appear not to actually know anything about what the book says or the supposed evidence it contains.

But go ahead and prove me wrong by posting the facts you suppisedly learned from all that reading.

 

Very stupid. The rich can always afford to bypass any system . Proves nothing.

 

More hilarity. The liberal progressive quest for the truth is a joke.

I could care less what you think but will point out your lack of understanding.