Talking to NK's Kim is a waste.

As sanctions build, and his people are eating grass, Kim will look to generate desperately-needed revenue....he'll sell nukes to rogue states like Iran, and beyond. So we'll be not just fighting communism/totalitarianism, but also nuclear powered Muslims, as well. The battle over freedom has just begun.

China will side with their communist/totalitarian neighbor. You're going to be forced to choose Team Trump over Team Totalitarianism.

 

I bet if you were Kim's half-brother you would ALSO "have no fear" of Kim, too, right?

CNN: "Kim Jong Un's half brother murdered with poison, South Korea says"
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/asia/kim-jong-un-half-brother-death/index.html

Totalitarianism needs to end....forever.

 

I don't think we talk to them directly with any expectation that something will get done.

It is more of doing it for the International Community and to continue to retain the high ground on the moral issues.

Kim and his regime say such off the wall stuff that it makes the "Anti-US Brigade" have a tough time preaching their typical message.

 

I say that if you're so sure war is a good thing, then you should move to Seoul and proclaim it on the street corners.


No? Didn't think so. Grandma's basement is so much safer for you.

 

My MOM'S basement!!

I don't think war is good, just inevitable. Totalitarianism/communism is a cancer (Fidel, Kim, etc.) on humanity. The long-term solution is democracy.

 

Seoul's #1 friend in the world is TRUMP!
You can't name ONE other leader in the world who has given South Korea as much military support as Team Trump (well, Bush and Obama, too), can you? If not, then it's time you face this harsh reality.

 

And that is why we need to allow NK security, from us. If they have security from us invading them that will free up treasure to feed their people. And you do not know if he will sell nukes to Iran. It is just a fear. Iran is no more a rogue nation than the Saudis.

So you think NK is now wanting to refuel the communist revolution?

If NK ever did what some of you guys fear, NK will exist no more. Before one of their ICBMs was halfway here, NK would be gone. They know that. Kim knows that. And he isn't irrational. He is playing poker, to obtain security from the most war mongering, hegemonic nation on earth. My nation. The USA. That is a fact Jack. Or rather, Freedom Seeker.

There is no reason to think NK will turn out as you imagine. And every reason to think to the contrary.

 

War is not Inevitable ... I grew up with the same bull s*** from war hawks about China and Russia. They were wrong and we saved the lives of millions of people by NOT believing that we had to go to war to solve every problem. YOU are probably alive today because we did not go to war when others said it was "inevitable".

 

Just listen to yourself! The Kims have not signed a PEACE TREATY! The Korean War is still on, dude. If they wanted peace they'd have signed a peace treaty in the last 64 frickin' years! Communists love war. We need to end communism and other totalitarian schemes (such as monarchies, and other assorted dictators), ASAP.

 

Wow, I now believe in re-incarnation because you sound just like Neville Chamberlain. I prefer Churchill.

 

"The Art of the Deal" was not written by Trump. The person who wrote the book for him has been interviewed in public and
paints a very different picture of Trump. According to the Author, Trump is hardly the great negotiator, more like the great con man.
The author pointed out that Trump can't concentrate on anything for very long, looks down on working class people, hires
contractors and doesn't pay them, has been bankrupt 7(seven) times. He said, in the interview, that Trump will walk away from middle class working people, as indicated in his health care reform and tax reform.
As far as Kim is concerned, he said that he would absolutely meet with him, but was rebuked. Then he changed his tude about a meeting. Oh, Tillerson (sec'y of state) said only yesterday that talks were indeed taking place with North Korea. This has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives.

 

Did appeasement beat the Soviets, or did remaining STRONG in the face of that totalitarian threat?

 

You're painting KIM as the reasonable/sane one!? Kim is insane.

 

Actually, I sound more like Reagan - he didn't believe war was "inevitable" either. But again, if you want to leave your mom's basement in the Kremlin, then feel free to go to Seoul and proclaim the absolute necessity for war on the street corners.

 

You can't name, like the OP asks, one concession that Kim has made due to talking/appeasing, can you!? Answer the OP.

 

Do you think our gov't has ever killed someone who we saw as a threat? Well, we tried hard to kill Castro. And we have more blood on our hands, than most are willing to admit.

No if I had been his bro, I would have feared him. Hastings, the reporter who pissed off our CIA and military, somehow killed himself by flooring it, his car, in a city, as he was about to go undercover on a new assignment. Oh, our intel can now take control of cars, disable the brakes, and max out acceleration and not a damn thing the driver can do to stop it. We have that software and means. OH, they developed it for purely shits and giggles with no intention of ever using it. Spend a lot of money developing it, but never used it, and will never use it. LOL Give me a break. You think our intel, our gov't is innocent as the pure driven snow?

As the character in Unforgiven, played by Eastwood, said, " we all have it coming".

 

Remaining strong and PATIENT beat the Soviets - not war.

 

I'm not that crazy - that would be like going to Mecca (uh, they won't let "filthy" Kuffar like me into Mecca or Medina, however) and saying that Mohammad is not a prophet of god - I'd be strung up. Kim has the South Koreans too scared to stand up to him much. Fear works - just look at the fear that God/Jesus has put in people's hearts, as the ultimate example.

 

We agree that the US, in the GWOT, is delusional - our gov't thinks that it can will this war against Islam BY KILLING/BOMBING. We can't beat Islam that way - it will need to be ideological, not militarily.

 

Reagan took aggressive though non war making actions. Most for instance are not aware of what he did directly in Russia as he spoke to students there. Without the students, changes were not going to happen in the Soviet Union.

 

Your patience allows Kim to build more and more nukes. I think Seattle will be his first target (or other west coast population center.)

 

So then how do we reach the NORTH KOREAN students, etc.?

 

The US has been FAR from perfect, agreed.No disputing that. But you are not putting your condemnation on the right party - you are condemning the US, when communism/totalitarianism is the real bad guy.....can we agree on that?

 

You're the type of person who tries to draw moral equivalence between the US and communism and Islam. We will lose both wars (the war against communism and the war against Islam) with your attitude.

 

They are not reachable at this time. Korea is very different. Truman gave it back to the North Koreans when he fired MacArthur. We live with that today.