Campus free speech is on its deathbed

It's hard to imagine any college students shouting down an ACLU spokesman giving a talk about free speech, but leave it to BLM, because they did. The racist group whined about being suppressed all while they suppressed someone who probably represented one of their biggest defenders.

And get a load of the ACLU's probable-soon-to-be position on free speech if the wrong people express it.

 

Free speech, possibly the most misunderstood part of the bill of rights.

 

College is mostly irrelevant now. If your children aren't going there to get a STEM degree, or another type of degree that they have a specific and feasible plan for, then they're just spending their time there to waste your money/go into debt and get STDs.

 

College is not only irrelevant, but rather a hindrance to getting a job. A STEM field is... manageable, but even they have to take these SJW classes.

Employers aren't going to put up with this nonsense.

 

The new crop of students coming in these days is really different. They're not up for a peaceful debate, but are all too ready to shout over you if you "oppress" them with your opinion. They also are apparently experts on any political subject you throw at them. Especially if it involves anything to do with race, gay rights, feminism, etc.

I'm 26, and it's crazy how much things have changed since the 2011-2012 days when I was in school. Back then, students were more interested in meeting other students than talking about politics. Yes, it was always a liberal crowd. Most people were always accepting of immigrants, gay students, transgender students, etc. I just feel like people had the right balance, and at least in my experience wouldn't try to shout you down. I remember some passionate but respectful debates about gay marriage in a class I took 5 years ago.

Now when I see the students where I went to school, I see a crowd I don't recognize. People you can bet are SJWs just by looking at them. Hipsters with glasses, tight clothes and androgynous haircuts. People who aren't clearly male or female (we had that back then, but it seems far more common now). Maybe it's just rose-tinted glasses, but I seem to remember a lot more sexy girls, cool guys and chill people just 5 short years ago.

Sorry for the rant, but this topic got me thinking about my own experience and how the crowds have changed so much in less than a decade.

 

sure am glad ballthwop chuppingham the III is here to talk about how college was better in the 1890s because queer people and The Blacks would shut the hell up and be respectful and also didn't wear those sinful short pants
if i ever get to the point where i'm this shocked by things that have literally always been trends i will blow my brains out and that is a 100% unironic promise

 

If there's one thing every college needs more of, it's booty shorts.

And who said anything about people shutting up?

 

When a leftist Law professor from Harvard, like Alan Dershowitz has to threaten a lawsuit against a leftist Berkeley University, one can only ROFL at such spectacle

 

I'm 25, and I completely agree. Who knew that the then-freshmen in HS when I was a senior, was batshit insane? I generally stayed to myself, but if I knew this was happening, I would've taken the freshmen under my wing in my senior year. Wouldn't have changed much, but maybe I could save a few people from falling down the road of idiocy. This is extraordinarily dangerous. These 18-22's, don't know what they're doing.

 

While I am not one for "free" speech, and can definately sympathize with the desire to censor and erradicate opposing viewpoints, I have to say racist, sexist, "non-binary" Marxists who shout in a nonsensical manner are not my prefered demographic to be the ones holding the power.

 

The ACLU created their own Frankenstein, now they get to enjoy their creation.

 

The irony is that your support for censorship is what creates these groups.

Your ideology eats itself.

If you do not support higher ideals, then you will fall victim to your own way of thinking.

Our founders would be ashamed at how far our people have turned away from them.

 

How so?

 

How are you different than them?

 

Hello vman12. I suppose I different from them simply in the sense that I am not racist, or sexist or anti-capitalist. And I identify as one of two genders. Do you mean anything in particular?

 

What I mean is that you have a particular point of view, but you want to "censor and eradicate opposing viewpoints".

They have a different point of view, and want to "censor and eradicate opposing viewpoints".

Guess what that leads to? The elimination of the people who hold one of those points of view.

 

While I'm certainly aware of that, I see your point. For most of you, I know it's easy to live alongside mental opposition. What I've experienced in my life, over the internet no less, would be of no consequence to the vast majority. But for me, coexisting isn't a very good option. The chance to annihilate the other sides may be preferable to living out a life of regret and depression. However, and fortunately from your perspective, this chance is highly unlikely. There is not a single political party, nation, or radical group with anything close to my highly syncretic ideology.

 

A. Speaking truth to power without threat of arrest or worse.

B. Pasting incoherent, inane, entitled garbage all over the internet and acting as though one's rights are being oppressed when clearly they're not.

Tough call, eh.

 

That seems to be their problem. They cannot tell the difference between rights and peace of mind.

 

Mental opposition is how your ideals are tested.

The problem now is that people don't want their ideas tested. They adopt an ideology based on emotion and a core belief. Everything they listen to must support that core belief, or is rejected out of hand.

There is no more discussion in this country, and in much of the world, because the socratic method, and the desire to get to the truth....to honestly evaluate one's ideals and beliefs has been lost.

It's going to lead to something very, very bad.

 

I graduated first undergrad in '01. I feel as if the range of unacceptable potential candidates is much wider than 18 - 22.

 

"Tolerance, it's for you, not me." That's what i heard. Delightfully immature.

 

Rights aren't restrained by peace of mind.

 

That does make sense. In some ways I agree. And though I do in fact base most of my viewpoints on emotion and personal opinion, I don't reject something out of hand. It's only that I would prefer that ideals are self-tested. Not opposed from outside. For example, I support many aspects of secular Western culture. I know there are multiple issues with secular Western culture, but I would rather we push to find "workarounds" rather than default back to Judeo-Christian values. The problem for myself is, that no side will take that route. The Liberals will deny a problem exists, and the Conservatives will reject even the thought of attempting something different.

 

An idea that isn't tested in the real world, but only in your mind, isn't really being tested.

What kind of idea are you suggesting?