Vegas massacre put in perspective

We are all appalled at the senseless carnage and loss of life and the grevious injuries at this recent shooting and the left is using the event to once again attack the second amendment. I myself have been effected by this and have jumped on board the anti bump stock band wagon. Upon further reflection though and put into perspective this shooting is not that big a deal statistics wise and is no reason to go off half cocked on any gun legislation. As bad as this shooting was where 59 people died it pales in comparison to traffic deaths where an average of 109 people die every day and the dust needs to settle before any new laws are enacted.

" New preliminary 2016 data shared Wednesday from the National Safety Council estimates that as many as 40,000 people died in motor vehicles crashes last year, a 6% rise from 2015. If those numbers bear out, it would be a 14% increase in deaths since 2014, the biggest two-year jump in more than five decades."

"Crashes result in the very real cost of human life. But there are also millions more who are seriously injured—an estimated 4.6 million in 2016 according to NSC"

http://fortune.com/2017/02/15/traffic-deadliest-year/

 

I would also go as far to say many of those motor vehicle deaths are caused by idiots texting and reading their smart phone. Where's the outrage? Like auto deaths, smart phone outrage doesn't give dems a political advantage, or wedge issue for elections.

Steve

 

You know that's a good point. I have to wonder how many deaths a year are caused by phones.

Edit: I googled it,

General Cell Phone Statistics. The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year. Nearly 330,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving. 1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.

 

Well that certainly puts things into proper perspective.

Steve

 

And yet, cries for some gun legislation do not compare to the worst knee-jerk overreaction in recent history. The anti-terror efforts that have pestered travelers from all walks of life, causing untold economic damage and unwarranted fear, all the way to war in places many Americans couldn't even find on a map.

Politics can be rational, but often times it is fueled by emotions, mostly anger and fear.

 

Do you think those automobile deaths were deliberate like pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger?

 

Terrorism may or may not have been overreacted too but it wasn't about the implementation of a long sought after political agenda like getting rid of the second amendment for example.

 

A rhetorical question I guess but I'll answer by saying intent doesn't make you any more dead than accident and car wrecks dwarf mass shooting by any and all weapons in the carnage department. It's about putting things in perspective here and not overreacting to one horrible event.

 

Exactly! Nearly every weekend 30 or 40 people are intentionally shot and killed in Chicago yet the media doesn't want to cause MORE problems for Mayor Rahm so we have to Google search to find out about it. Politics and the biased media are our biggest problems.

Steve

 

A biased media may be Trump FanBoy's greatest concern, but affordable health care, good schools and a clean and healthy environment are the concerns of the other 70% of Americans. Trump's obsession with his public image is Side Show Bob stuff in the real world.

 

I don't think that the anti-terror efforts were about the implementation of a long sought after political agenda either, but that doesn't matter at all here. Your whole argument is not about intent, but the outcome. You even clarified that again as a response to Margot2.

I agree that we care far too much about agendas, affiliations and intent.

I am pragmatic. I care about outcomes. Thousands of lives lost and trillions of dollars of taxpayer money spent is a horrible outcome when it comes to the war on terror. The worst case outcome I can see when it comes to this renewed gun control debate are some restrictions on certain types of weapons or some accessories and additional hoops to jump through if you desire to buy a gun. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it a significant burden for our society or budget? No, I can't see how. Let's all relax a bit and take some time to think.

 

So you listen and believe the same media that lied to you about Clinton easily winning the 2016 election. SURPRISE! again.

Steve

 

No I didn't. I stated many times in these threads that I thought BOTH Clinton and Trump were toxic candidates. If you don't think health care is a more serious issue than Trump's public image in the press, you are seriously messed up.

 

No, my point is that you ARE believing the same lying media NOW.

Steve

 

You completely miss the point. Are cars used to deliberately kill people?

One horrible event? Have you forgotten about killing first graders in Sandy Hook, or San Bernadino, or Aurora, Colorado, or Charleston etc ?

 

Trump is a very sick man.. Damaged.. Clinton was promiscuous but he was also smart, well educated and cared about the US.. Not Trump. He's playing celebrity apprentice.

 

That only tells us how brainwashed you are.

Steve

 

The EPA has a study called DocuAmerica which has photographed air pollution faithfully every year since 1970. Trump is gutting the EPA..

I wish everyone could see the photos.

 

Trump lies every day.. and brags.. Haven't you even noticed? He tells us every day how rich he is an how smart he is but he is remarkably ignorant.

He tried to bully Sinatra prior to the opening of the Taj Mahal in NJ.. Sinatra told him to eff himself.

Trump is a crass bottom feeder and if you think he cares about YOU or the middle class, you will be horribly disappointed. Trump is all about his own celebrity NOTHING else.

 

Not unless my parents and their friends are your, "lying media". You know it is possible to have life experiences that are real life - outside of press and social media. Get out of grandma's basement and you'll discover that.

 

You sound like the JIHAD apologists who try to downplay the utter evils of Islam when they too spew "Islam isn't so bad because more people die in car crashes!!" Sad, really really sad. Care for people more than you do.

 

You've evidently never left your small town. Trump is like many New Yorkers, some Texans, and many other people around the planet. Life can be difficult for those who never experienced other people besides what they grew up with. Grow up.

Steve

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-hit/index.html

(CNN)Authorities haven't said anything yet about what might have motivated a woman to drive her car onto a busy sidewalk along the Las Vegas Strip, but new details emerged Monday about what she told investigators she did before and after the crash.
Lakeisha N. Holloway, 24, is accused of killing one person and injuring more than three dozen when she struck pedestrians on the sidewalk.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/us/new-york-times-square-driver-charged/index.html

New York (CNN)Moments after barreling his car through the crowded sidewalks in Manhattan's Times Square, Richard Rojas told a traffic agent, "I wanted to kill them all," according to a criminal complaint.

 

Funny, I just said the same to Margot. I use critical thinking skills with at least a minimum amount ot skepticism with the media. You and Margot are the ones that act like you've never left the small town you been living in. I used to travel for a living and met many like Trump and it never traumatized me like it does you two.

Steve

 

When I was young it was fast cars killing people. My husband and I had a couple one 55 Chevy with a 327 manual on column and a 67 Chevelle 396 4 in the floor that we rolled over in. Everyone in the south had guns and we never heard of anyone getting shot till 1974 when a black man shot my mother in the chest with 9mm. She lived after severe recovery period. Still had bullet in her back right under her skin when she passed 15 yr.s later.