One Year Ago Today....

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  1. buckwalder

    buckwalder Well-Known Member

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    One year ago today the left got owned by Trump.
    One year later, the left owns itself.
    Poetic justice has been served to the stupid and greedy race baiting idiots that cooked their own goose99
    Wah,
    If hillary won the electoral vote and Trump won the popular vote ....what would you say then ?
    Your argument is stupid and I hope your smart enough to realize that.
    I won't get my hopes up though.
     
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  2. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The majority of counties voted for Gillespie, too...
     
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  3. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gorn/ThorInc/Tres/etc etc etc.
     
  4. buckwalder

    buckwalder Well-Known Member

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    One year ago today the left got owned by Trump.
    One year later, the left owns itself.
    Poetic justice has been served to the stupid and greedy race baiting idiots that cooked their own goose99
    And losing.
     
  5. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Greg Gianforte (MT) is a Republican, as is Karen Handel (GA). But I'm not talking about Montana and Georgia, I'm talking about Virginia and New Jersey.
     
  6. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It starts and ends at democracy. Trump won the electoral votes. I can't help you if you don't know how American elections work by now.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those who want to vote can go vote, those who don't are stuck with the results and don't have a right to bitch.
     
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    Looks like Teh END didn't come.... Also looks, (more & more actually) like the wet dream of Impeachment/Removal from office is slipping away too.

    Didn't vote for the man, but, all things considered, even though my guy lost... (didn't think he'd win, but couldn't vote for turds) I'm happy with how things are going, so far.
     
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    .. The Donald got elected in spite o' grabbin' a woman's hoochie...

    He's the President of the United States............of course he's telling the Truth. Not to do so is un-Presidential.
     
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    Okay...let's take each one of your mini-charts - one at a time (plus, I have time to kill).

    - The equity markets? The market has BOOMED since 2009...almost ALL because of the Federal Reserve's ZIRP and QE policies. And as for the Trump bump? Let's see what Donald thought of the stock markets on the campaign trail?

    'The big problem, as Trump sees it: The low interest rate environment fostered by the Federal Reserve that has coincided with a 227 percent market gain since the financial crisis lows.'

    "If rates go up, you're going to see something that's not pretty," the billionaire businessman told Fox News during a Tuesday morning phone interview. "It's all a big bubble."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/09/donald-trump-on-the-stock-market-its-all-a-big-bubble.html

    And he was 100% correct. Of course, once he took office, he abandoned that position and started taking credit for it...like a political coward.


    - What about the unemployment rate?

    'During the campaign, Donald Trump called the official unemployment rate published by the Labor Department “such a phony number,” “one of the biggest hoaxes in American modern politics” and “the biggest joke there is.” He variously described the real rate as 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 28, 29, 30 and 35 percent. In August, he told Time magazine that the “real unemployment rate is 42 percent.”'

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-hes-in-charge-of-it/?utm_term=.79cdfc45400e

    And, once again, he was DEAD RIGHT. And, once again, he changed his tune once he got into office.

    So forget the equity and U-3 numbers because Trump himself (rightly) called them as a 'bubble' and 'a joke'.

    - How about bonds? I admit it is not my area of specialty. But I know that bonds are more of a reflection of what the Fed says/does then what Trump has said/done so far.
    So I will call that a push. He has not helped or hurt them much, IMO.

    - GDP Growth? He has done fairly well here. GDP Growth has averaged 2.4% since he took office (like it or not - you have to count Q1 GDP growth...if he is taking credit for the U-3/equity markets the day he took office, he has to take responsibility for the GDP also). Plus 3.1 and 3% lately. Nothing to write home about and I guarantee you it won't last...but not bad.
    But the reason for that growth is simple (IMO)...over-optimism, continued equity growth and people digging DEEP to overspend and drive the economy up. Personal savings have PLUMMETED since Trump took office and are at the lowest levels since 2008. That is not sustainable long term.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-savings
    Plus, Trump has passed virtually NOTHING that would cause the economy to magically jump...so this is all on him convincing/conning the nation into believing things are looking up.
    Until Trump actually does something to drive the economy forward other then make promises...I am not impressed. And if you people think his tax plan will do it (as it stands)? Think again. It's basically a simplification (which is good) mixed in with hidden trickle down economics (which has NEVER worked) which will just drive the deficit up even more - all while making the rich even richer.
    As for future GDP growth? NO way it will reach 4% for his term...NONE. I personally guarantee it (as do a lot of economists). The economy is too messed up fundamentally and he is not doing remotely enough to fix it.

    - BTW - what about all those jobs he promised to bring home? The trade deficit is WAY up, EVERY, SINGLE month since he took office (over last year) with a massive growth in imports.

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0004.html

    NO WAY he can 'bring jobs home' so long as imports keep climbing while the trade deficit does as well.

    - Manufacturing jobs? Yup, those ARE up...quite a bit.
    But anyone who thinks that a) those are great jobs and/or b) those jobs are the future of America are living in a dream world. I have done a factory job at a major auto manufacturing plant...it was horrible and everyone else I worked with thought so as well...but they needed the money. Sure, some factories are better then others. But factory jobs should not be the goal. Besides, automation will eventually eliminate almost all of them anyway...so the future is NOT in manufacturing (IMO).
    But, I have to give him credit for doing what he said he would do...even if he has not a clue what a factory job is actually like.

    - Lastly, home resale prices. They definitely are up. Though considering the fact that the home ownership rate is the same as it was way back in the late 60's...I am not sure that is a good thing. But it is not bad.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/home-ownership-rate
    So credit to Trump there...even though (again) he has not done anything substantial but make promises to bring this about. But still...not bad at all.

    So overall, on paper (especially if you just read the headlines), Trump (macroeconomically) has done pretty well since his election (even though he hasn't really done ANYTHING yet but make promises)...at least in so far as his promises are concerned.
    But, remember, he has for YEARS said the equity markets and the U-3 (official unemployment rate) are bubbles/jokes, respectively (and he was right). So him taking credit for them and saying how great they are now is INCREDIBLY hypocritical if not flat out lying.

    Finally, my take? This all means nothing. Ever since 2001, America has surrendered herself to cheap money and the Fed has HUGELY helped them do that. First GWB, then Obama and now Trump are all STRONGLY encouraging this trend because it is the easy way out....just let people charge their way into (temporary) prosperity.
    It never has worked and it never will (long term).
    And the ignorant masses think that Trump will fix it all by lowering regulations, cutting taxes and getting 'tough' with other countries. Lower regulations and taxes are good - though they require across the board cuts in both that he is not even remotely proposing. And if he ever actually starts to put large tariffs on many countries imports? You can kiss your prosperity good bye. Protectionism has NEVER worked. And the last time it was tried on a large scale - the Great Depression was the result.

    The sad thing for me is that Trump got it - to an extent - before the election (other then his crazy protectionism ideas). He was DEAD RIGHT that the stock market was a bubble, the U-3 was a joke and the Fed was the main culprit and needed to be overhauled. And he has caved on ALL of them...completely (the guy he put forward last week to lead the Fed is a complete joke to sound fundamentals).
    A HUGE shame...especially for America.
     
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    youbrealize that the population has grown, right.
     
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    One year ago a terrible thing happened to our country. A liar and demagogue ascended to the thrown of the USA.
     
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    But it kept another FROM ascending.

    Guess it depends on one's preference in Turds.
     
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    LOL! You lefties try so hard just to be destroyed by a sentence or two.
    Krispy cream is serving up hot and ready sucks doughnuts for those that suffer from TDS.
    It comes with a free coupon that includes a free visit to any Obama approved restroom where a freak can be a freak.
    Enjoy!
     
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    Is that the best intellectual response you could muster?
     
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    I have zero issue with trump. I just voted Johnson. Couldn't bring myself to vote for the Major Turds. Pssst.. I hate Obummer.... Nice assumption tho.

    -9 for being inaccurate.
     
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    I think as long as they pay taxes, they do, but then they do it the wrong way. Politics is way too important to let it to politicians.
     
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    Jeez, who would've know?

    It's not like the narcissist-in-chief doesn't remind us of it every other day or so.
     
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    I kind of miss this time last year. We lost a lot of good friends; Gorn Captain, Andrew Jackson, etc.

    I just can't quit watching videos of the liberal meltdowns across the country.
     
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    One name.















    Neil Gorsuch.
     
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    Yes. Much better to allow a few counties in the entire country pick our president year after year. Care to guess what happens to anyone NOT living in those small areas? Just ask HIllary how much she cared about anyone who she knew wouldn't vote for her? That's your answer to what happens. And you think its OK, which is really, REALLY scary.
     
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    Honestly, do you really think EVERYONE is capable of working in the tech sector? You think everyone is built for sitting in front of a PC clicking buttons? Truly, be honest with yourself? You think 100s of millions can code or WANT TO code or even have the brains to code? We have to have some sort of home grown manufacturing or we're completely ****ed. You understand that right? Look at Venezuela. They outsourced everything until they couldn't function and look at them now.

    We NEED people to labor. Its just the way it is. And we can't keep importing them, as those here who are plenty capable, would rather sit on their a$$ and collect welfare or whatever we'll call it once there aren't enough jobs. The few can't support the many. We can't have massive amounts of people who are perfectly happy doing NOTHING because they'll get paid to do it. Its game over in that case, but that's exactly what you're suggesting. Not everyone is smart, or responsible and they're simply not equipped to handle something as mundane as code. We NEED builders, craftsmen, and simple mindless muscle plus people to watch them....its just the way it is.
     
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    Have you ever done a production line job? They are mindless, dehumanizing and TERRIBLE. An idiot can do them...literally. And as soon as robots become cheap enough those simple jobs will be replaced by robots...guaranteed.
    Besides, America cannot compete with foreign wages. And that's a good thing.
    Why actively crave lousy jobs with no futures?
    And yes, I do believe almost everyone can be trained to do jobs other then mindless, production line jobs.

    Whoa...I said NOTHING about all labor or builders or craftspeople. I STRICTLY meant manufacturing jobs on a production line...NOTHING ELSE.
    Skilled tradespeople jobs are NOT mindless. They are creative, often satisfying and essential.

    Again...I am STRICTLY talking about mindless, factory, production line jobs as the jobs I DON'T want to return to America.
     
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