Flat Earth is Going "Mainstream"!

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  1. jrr777

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    I want you to grab two tennis balls, place a mark on the one representing the moon, spin both balls until you can no longer tell the one with the mark is spinning.
     
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    Sorry that's a horrible model. Take croquet ball and a walnut drill a 1/16 hole halfway through the croquet ball. Insert a 1/16 dowel rod about a foot long Ito the hole in the croquet ball. Glue the walnut to the other end of the dowel. Now spin the croquet ball. Notice that the same half of the walnut always faces the croquet ball. That is a much better model of the relationship between the earth and the moon.
     
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    Sorry the last time that model was in vogue borders on ancient history. No one these days buys that model. It simply doesn't fit the observed data any better than the earthcentric model.
     
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    Hey Jr777. While I said earlier, I would never argue with a flat earth believer, in regards to the overwhelming evidence that has proven our earth is a globe and not flat, because any additional bit of evidence only sends the flat earth people into another conspiracy, so they do not have to accept the evidence, there is a question which I want to get your opinion on.

    That question is, and since we have known the earth is a globe for such a long time, dating back to ancient times, and this is what helped ocean travelers in discovering new lands, as they used the fact of a globe for navigation purposes, being able to figure out the position of a ship in a vast ocean, in order to arrive at a particular destination...what was the motive behind the globe earth conspiracy, and how has such a conspiracy been able to stand, unchallenged by men of science for so long? What are the powers that survived since ancient times that could keep the globe earth conspiracy in place, unquestioned by men of science? For the number of human beings involved in such a conspiracy would have to be HUGE. And why is it, that during all of those hundreds of years, not a single credible man of science has challenged this conspiracy? Not only that, but the math used for a globe, is not the same math as used for a flat earth. And so, how is it that the globe math is coherent, and is used everyday to get from point a to point b? For, if the earth was flat, it simply would not work. And so the men of math have to be in on this conspiracy as well.

    So, what is the motive behind this so called conspiracy? And how could it remain unchallenged for such a long period of time? To get a rocket or missile from point a to point b requires math. And that math takes into account that the earth is not flat, but curves, and surely the math used if the earth was flat would not work. But I am getting into another argument here, so no need to address that one. Just stick to what it would take, world wide, even from our atheistic enemies, in order to keep the globe earth an unchallenged conspiracy theory. And this conspiracy would have to be unchallenged for such a long time. The odds against this are astronomical! For any scientist that could prove the earth is flat would make history and be one of the most famous scientists in history, as well as being guaranteed to be very, very rich.

    The world is not entirely christian, nor jewish, nor islamic. Of what interest would china, the old USSR, or India, to name a few would have in keeping this conspiracy theory in place? I am afraid that what the flat earth believers require is just impossible. Against odds so high as to be absurd to even entertain it for more than a nano second. And who would a globe earth serve today, other than the hand full of conspiracy theorists? It just seems to me, that what you guys require is impossible, and one wonders if you guys have ever considered this? And if you have, how many additional conspiracy theories are needed to be created in order to keep your beliefs intact?

    The only thing that interests me about the flat earthers, is the capability of a group of people to question something like this. That is an interest to me because I know that people can be conditioned to believe in anything. Whether it be religious beliefs, or beliefs like this one, that the earth is flat. Where did the idea of a flat earth come from? Well, from religion, and interpreting religious writings in a strictly literal fashion. At least in more modern times. The belief in a flat earth originally came from human perception, for the earth from our limited point of view looks to be flat. But seeing isn't always to be taken as the truth when that seeing is from a very limited perspective. We cannot always believe our eyes, and this has been proven so often as to be unquestionable.

    I think that there is a need, for strict scientific purposes to thoroughly test the brains of flat earthers, in order to see if there is something different about the manner in which their brains operate. If there is a commonality that can be discerned, in the flat earth brain. For this would explain it, conclusively perhaps about what is involved. And it may not be a bad thing at all, if a commonality is found. In fact, it might be a good thing, if these brains could be applied in other areas. For the more that I think about these people, it just seems to me that something might very well be different with these people, in the manner in which their brains operate. And, I am not trying to say something negative here about these people, because I am personally fascinated by them. But in this cause/effect universe, of course I tend to seek causes that precede effects. And there may be a cause here which is unknown at this point. Or, it could turn out that the cause involves the fact that some brains cannot operate in sufficient coherence in order for those brains to be connected sufficiently enough to reality. Anyway, it would be nice to know, if for nothing else, the science of the human brain.
     
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    Yes, but you get the model today from the model of yesterday. If you want to believe you are a space monkey, go right ahead. Because the model tells you that we came from an explosion that came from nothing creating "space". In turn creating "earth", in turn creating monkeys, in which they tell us we came from. Thus "space monkey's". That in and of itself requires far more faith than our Father who is in heaven.
    Which would have the moon not spinning at all.
     
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    As I said earlier the moon is tide locked to the earth and relative to the earth it doesn't spin. The same is true of Mercury vis a vis the sun. Science in essence agrees with the Bible. At the very beginning everything was with out form and void and then quite suddenly their was everything. The only real argument is over how long suddenly was.
     
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    The globe has not, nor ever will be used for navigation.

    The Motive: It is disturbing to think that if the world is indeed flat, rather than having the greatest achievement in mankind's history, we have the greatest lie in mankind's history. What is even more disturbing, is you cannot see a motive.

    If you cannot believe your eyes, try going without them.
     
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    Can you demonstrate this for better visual and "science"?
     
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    which one?
     
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    ahhh .. so that's what this is about. a 'jealous god', who didn't like seeing his bald monkeys call something/someone else 'the centre of the universe'. it all makes perfect sense now. and is entirely in keeping with the Hebrew godhead's gargantuan ego.
     
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    Are you incapable of offering up an answer to my question? And to think you can believe your eyes, as you just said, has been proven many times, that you cannot believe them in every case.

    There are many examples of this online, but I first saw the evidence in books. One example that is a good one, is that the moon appears to be larger when it rises above the horizon. But if you have a measuring tool, you can prove that it isn't larger and you are looking at an illusion. You cannot believe your eyes, upon first perception, but a measuring tool will not lie to you, as your eyes did.

    That you can offer up nothing, except your original claim is a big fail. But perhaps, even the size of the conspiracy it would take to keep hidden the truth of our earth, is even impossible for you to believe? Until you offer up a rational, reasonable, explanation of why this great conspiracy could be carried forth, and how it was pulled off, we are getting nothing from you except for you claim. And such an extraordinary claim and position needs more than what you have to offer. Which was really, nothing, in regards to my question.

    So, the maps of our globe, with our longitude and lattitude, have never been used to navigate our globe? Then why did we create maps? Just to look at as something pretty? Well, they were used for navigation of a globe, that is why. I think we learned this in geography in the 5th grade, back in the 50s when I attended public school.

    In conclusion, the odds against a worldwide conspiracy are so great, astronomical, as to be for all practical purposes impossible. Yet you will not address this, and IMO, for good reason. It would be so difficult to do so and retain any creds. For never has humanity ever been agreement on much of anything, and yet we must believe that they agreed on this? But if so, for what motive? I cannot even get a motive from you. It isn't asking too much, surely.
     
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    Yet based on exactly the same information and a somewhat better understanding of human nature I seriously doubt a rational God would place a set creatures as prone to hubris and egocentrism as human beings in any place that might even further exacerbate those unlovely traits
     
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    Do you have a child of your own? If so you should have a good idea of how God feels about His children.
     
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    If the earth is flat how thick is it?
    where do volcanoes come from?
    why is it that no matter what direction. I travel in as long as I travel in a 'strait' line I come back where I started? What's on the other side?
     
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    You realize you can drive around your block, but your block is not a sphere...you realize that right?

    They don't even know what's below the alleged ball earth. The deepest man has been is 8 miles, and according to those who did it, something is there they can't get beyond.

    Why does the earth have to be a ball, to have volcanoes?

    Space as you believe it to be (because that's all you can do is picture it in your imagination), is nowhere near what you think. We are only going so high, and so far, before we run into "the ends of the earth".
     
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    of course I can drive around the block but not without turning. However if I climb aboard a plain in new York and fly due east without turning I wind back of New York if the earth is flat that's not possible.
     
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    You have never done such a thing, for it is impossible. You will have to turn numerous times, or you'll find yourself jumping out of the plane. Sooner or later, your going to need fuel.
     
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    We have these days in air refueling....
     
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    Yes, which is something you have never done. Yet you sit there claiming not only you can, but have. Why don't you do it, and record it, than post it here or anywhere. If you never done it, had you you know you can?
     
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    In regards to the heliocentric model, if the stars in the southern and northern hemisphere rotate in different directions, and this is proof of a ball earth, why doesn't the same occur, with the sun?
     
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    It does. When facing north in the northern hemisphere, the Sun and stars rise from the east on your right and they circle the north pole counterclockwise. When facing south in the southern hemisphere, the Sun and stars rise from the east on your left and they circle the south pole clockwise.

    In May when the Arctic has 24 hrs a day of sunlight, the Sun circles Polaris CCW same as the stars. In December when the Antarctic has 24 hrs a day of sunlight, the Sun circles the south pole CW same as the stars do.

    There's no FE explanation for this. If you have one, let's hear it. ;)
     
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