17 women have accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct. It’s time to revisit those stories

Good, I did not expect his administration to be riddled with plumbers and truck drivers, let these uber-successful CEOs work for all American people for a change, not just for a small number of shareholders. We'll see what they accomplish in the next 3 years, any discussion before that is baseless.

PS I don't see many plumbers and truck drivers among lib politicians either. You nevertheless seem to trust billionaires like John Kerry to represent American people.

 

Don't know yet, but I haven't asked the president with a more extensive resume on this note, to do so either. At least not on this basis.

 

Can clearly see his hands are not on her. He should apologize. He was acting like a loser. The right thing for him to do is resign and be the bigger man.

 

This is THE most ridiculous list of allegations I've ever seen.

Voyeurism?

"Mom!!!! Trump's lookin' at me!!!! Make.Him.STOP!!!!"

The ONLY one of serious concern was vigorously recanted after being made by an angry ex.

Ludicrous deflection.

 

I wont quibble about our disagreement on the hands touching or not. I respect that answer. Thank you.

 

Going to commend you because you are actually dealing with the topic, which is the President's behavior around women. I do wonder if you are being a bit generous on the voyeurism. A lot depends on whether the women knew they were being watched and were comfortable being watched etc. We have to know more.

 

Don't know yet??

Are you serious?

If an accusation is made, and it is followed up by an admission of guilt. An apology. And a photo...and thats not enough.

Well what are you waiting for?

The answer is nothing will ever be enough. Shameful.


In the meantime, yeah lets go back to talking about unfounded allegations about Trump and his crude language and pretend we care.

 

Well, I'm not saying he isn't a pig...

 

Its not enough if I haven't looked into it. I am pretty consistent that I wait at least a week or two for the media coverage to sort out truth from sensationalism in early coverage of scandal . I am very intentional about NOT reading early reports. I wait for things to either blossom or shrivel from the glare a little before I even read the stories.

I gain nothing from reading earlier except a lot of sensationalism and drama with a lot of poorly established facts that will be retracted as better journalism sets in. There is also an advantage to wait for more than one reaction from the scandalee and the accuser. Either he/she is caught lying or his story sounds more credible with more retelling.

You will inevitabley get the same response from personal scandal stories from me if you ask too soon.

Its not shameful; its prudent!

 

And that is exactly my position with respect to Bill Clinton, except he is a pig who committed perjury-lite and lost his license to practice and got fined.

 

Franken's just one of those good ole boys craving younger women, faster horses, older whiskey, more money.

 

I think the election of trump and the defense of a pedophile like Moore shows that republicans aren't even trying anymore. It's not like it was ever anything else but fake morality.

 

I am going to disagree here. I think plenty of Republicans are honorable and basically decent people and a lot of them are very confused by Trump's ascension in a party did not historically celebrate populism in any form, let alone this very anger-driven ultra-cynical populism infused with the 'alt-right/ anti-establishment' white nationalism of his campaign.

Their political values were always somewhat different (more accurately the way they prioritize and communicated their political values was different) but their personal morality was not any different from anyone elses.

Everything is so twisted by partisanship that the normal delineation we have held between the political and the personal morality almost dead. Political identity defined through ideology or party affiliation is now more important to us than religious, ethnic or national identity and it now consumes anything and everything that might stand in its path.

 

OP

Question: How can a woman become rich beyond her wildest dreams?

Answer: Accuse a multimillionaire of having groped her.

It seems to be catching on, too? They're falling over each other in the headlong rush to solicitors.

 

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You say that in response to a thread EXPLICITLY about them still being around. Including recent quotes of them standing by their story.

Thanks for this demonstration of idiocy.

 

Walking and chewing gum at the same time...

 

Poster

Q: How can a woman get viciously attacked by the public and by powerful individuals?

A: Accuse a powerful millionaire of having groped her.

It seems to be catching on, too? Every new accuser faces a fresh round of attacks and almost none of them gain anything financially from the accusation.

 

I made one of the threads devoted to Al Franken, so your conformation bias is duly noted.

 

...only 3 are devoted to voyeurism and some of those were underage accusers.

And the other 14 all constitute sexual assault.

 

I don't know how you can be sure of that, but hey, it's worth a shot, isn't it? I mean what's to lose? And who knows who the lucky ones will be? And 'the powerful individuals' you mention are the ones who are on the defensive from the word go, whereas their accusers can count on the liberal sympathies.

 

Maybe to a certain extent in a post-Weinstein world, but that has not been the history of sexual assault allegations by a country mile.

But here's the thing, the powerful individuals may be on the defensive from the word "go," but they are still powerful individuals with lots of money and neither disappear overnight, usually. So these people can - and do - use that power and wealth to go after, and ruin, their accusers.

And I can be sure of my statement because the vast majority of these accusers have come forward after the expiration of the statute of limitations and thus, they can not file any civil lawsuits. And when you are one of a dozen, then the chances that you get some kind of book deal or job offer as the result of your allegation is negligible in the best of circumstances.

 

If it's not on the front page of the news they claim is fake it doesn't exist.

 

The sad thing is that it could probably be 117 women...all with 10 eyewitnesses per incident...and Trumpbots would still find a way to not blame Trump for it.

Some would call that 'loyalty'.

Nope...that is blind devotion - Hitler had it, among others.

 

Pretty pathetic that you express fake outrage and drama to me while telling another poster who said the same thing that you "respect" his post.

I saw the picture. I didn't see his hands on her breasts. I see him pretending to have them there. You disagree. Keep your dramatic "for shame" nonsense to yourself, or be consistent in your faux drama.

If you believe he touched her breasts in that picture, then have him arrested. I don't see it. And unlike you, I'm not tinkling my underpants about it. I'm not a liberal and don't support Franken because of his politics. You liberals and your President own the man, not me.