a lot of the misunderstandings about Christianity come from a lack of wisdom about human nature

Easy, you don’t have to teach your children to be bad.

 

You, of course, ignore the New Testament.

 

Look at history. The proof is in the pudding.

 

Wrong. Human beings are flawed. If you do not believe that then you need to study history, especially the last century.

 

Are families who order the cremation of the dead, evil? Are arsonists, pure evil?

 

Actually all atheists know that humans are inherently flawed. You won't be able to find a single person who don't think that humans inherently have a lot of problems. It is you who misunderstands atheists.

 

god/Jesus is flawed because his book thinks the world (uh, he supposedly created it, so would know better than any entity in world history) is FLAT.

 

God/Jesus is of course worse than a person who simply orders a cremation - WTF(?), you're comparing the barbarism of burning, say, all innocent Hindus alive, for eternity, which the Bible says god will do, to cremation???

Arsonists are also more ethical than god/Jesus is, because the pain that the arsonists victim suffers is for much much much a shorter time period than the "eternity" that the savage god/Jesus tortures people for. And, god/Jesus tortures on purpose - but some arsonists aren't necessarily trying to see people burned alive, just the building itself. But yes, both arsonists AND god/Jesus are evil and insane, and should be avoided at all costs.

 

What if I could find acceptance of slavery in the NT, would you condemn Jesus then?

 

Basically what you are saying is if I can find slavery in American history that no one can take anything you say seriously.

 

Ok, by your (lack of) response to my question, it's pretty obvious that you haven't quite risen to the ethical level of Modern Secular Humanists due to the fact that you refused to condemn acceptance of slavery in the NT if I could find acceptance of slavery in the NT.
I was in your position once, too.

 

Modern secular humanist? The biggest threat to humanity. Belief in man as the deciding God. Nothing could be worse.

 

Really? I have yet to see where it says that.

 

Modern humans are better at deciding ethics than ancient humans (and that's who authored the Bible.)

 

What if I could show you that it says that.....if so, just say, then would you condemn god/Jesus for being an obvious fraud?

 

The word "sin" is often understood to be something evil. When I commit a sin it is really just not me meeting my mark and wandering off the path. Now, if I happen to fall off the path, I pick myself up and normally I can get back on the right path. Sometimes I may become disoriented and find myself wandering about and lost. After awhile I just might become comfortable in my new surroundings and finding the right path is not so important to find again. I could be lost in the wilderness for years. After awhile I may long to find the right path and off on a quest I go. Realizing I cannot do it alone I search for someone who knows the way. I might have to seek council from many before the true person shows up. I put my trust in the hands of that person and after awhile I am back on the right path. I may have more missteps but now I have the knowledge I need to get back on the strait and narrow.

 

LOL, you think because you can buy an iPhone you are somehow superior to the people that actually thought things through? Those ‘ancient’ humans could think rings around you.

 

I think that even THIS dude would be smart enough, wise enough, to know that killing gays is wrong, dead wrong - immoral, disgusting, and repulsive! Unfortunately Jesus has, in 2000 years and counting, not shown that HE'S as smart as this dude is. As a matter of policy, do chimps kill gays?

 

The didn't "think things through", they "made s**t up".

 

I have to say, I do not believe GOD burns humans anywhere. Paul may have believed it, but I am not persuaded.

 

Hitler didn't actually kill Jews himself, as such, arguably, but we still condemn that psycho for setting up a system where innocent Jews got put in ovens....just like Hitler (although on a much bigger scale, so he's far far worse than Hitler), GOD/JESUS set up a system where innocent Jews get put in oven (well, worse, a torture device called a "lake of fire"). So God/Jesus is more barbaric than even ol' Adolf was - and if Adolf is considered the "worst person ever", what does that make God/Jesus? (Yes, the worst ever.)

 

So you recommend that ethical Christians remove those barbaric passages that say that from their Bibles (if they love their impressionable young children, that is), like I do?

 

So if Paul lied then that would mean that arguably the New Testament is highly suspect as to it's validity, correct?

 

It could cast a shadow on Paul.

 

I am okay with striking any comments as to burning in hell.