Trump says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    People are going to die because of the decision made by Trump today.

    Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, reversing nearly seven decades of American foreign policy and setting in motion a plan to move the United States Embassy from Tel Aviv to the fiercely contested Holy City.

    The Palestinian militant organization Hamas called for "day of rage" protests over the announcement and said that Trump had committed a "flagrant aggression against the Palestinian people."

    Hamas was not alone. The New York Times reports, "Mr. Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem isolates the United States on one of the world’s most sensitive diplomatic issues. It has drawn a storm of criticism from Arab and European leaders, which swelled on Tuesday night after the White House confirmed Mr. Trump’s plans.

    "Pope Francis and the Chinese foreign ministry joined the chorus of voices warning that the move could unleash a wave of violence across the region. At a meeting in Brussels, Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson was sternly reproached by European allies."

    Trump cited the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 as one reason for his decision. The law was passed by a Republican controlled Congress. Clinton had taken the unusual step of not signing the Embassy Act into law once Congress had presented it to him but rather let 10 days of inaction pass, allowing the bill to return to Congress and automatically become law. The law was never implemented because of opposition from Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama, who viewed it as a Congressional infringement on the executive branch's constitutional authority over foreign policy.

    Trump said that for twenty years Presidents had promised to comply with the 1995 law. He apparently was confused by the difference between a promise and a goal. Middle East peace and the right of Israel to declare Jerusalem as its capital has been the goal of every American President for sixty years.

    Using tortured logic, Trump declared “It would be folly to assume that repeating the exact same formula would now produce a different or better result.” The decision regarding Israel's capital is a major issue in the peace negotiations. Trump assumed that putting the cart before the horse would achieve a better result.

    "This decision is not intended in any way to reflect a departure from our strong commitment to facilitate a lasting peace agreement," Trump said, adding, "The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides. I intend to do everything in my power to help forge such an agreement."

    That is tantamount to Hitler declaring after he captured Paris, "Germany has strong a commitment to facilitate lasting peace in France."

    In other words, Trump is fully aware of the damage his decision will cause. He even issued this warning, “There will of course, be disagreement and dissent regarding this announcement.” He appealed for “calm, for moderation, and for the voices of tolerance to prevail over the purveyors of hate.” As is his custom, he thinks he can overcome the consequences of his decision with rhetoric.

    The fact remains, his decision causes the removal of the United States as a broker for Middle East peace. Notwithstanding the leadership in Israel, every party to the peace talks can no longer trust the United States because of Trump's unilateral decision.

    Trump's decision should hasten his removal from office. To preserve his power he is now endangering lives and property.
     
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    People have been dying, pay attention
     
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    Agreed. I see a lot of articles whine about how Trump has upset the peace process of the last several decades and all I can see is "the last several decades". Time to try something new...even if it's just to threaten to move the Embassy and recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

    OTOH......

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    The Evangelicals, who really could not give a **** about Jews/Israelis, are having a collective orgasm for there long awaited Rapture...and the moron-in-chief is pandering to those bible thumping ****heads.
     
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    At last, a final "meeting of the mind", a clash of cultures. Time to saddle up and finish this once and for all. Allahu Akbar, Yee-Hawww!!!

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    TBF, if people die it will be because someone else overreacted to this decision.

    At the same time, Israel's claim to Jerusalem is iffy.
     
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    Israel says Jerusalem is their capital. Trump is only honoring what an ally says.
     
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    This really is nust laughably stupid hysterics.


    Oh, and no one died today because of this so your verybfirst comment is a lie.
     
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    Trump never made the choice. The choice was made in 1950 by the Israelis. They declared it their capital. What right does the USA have to select countries capitals? There was no Palestine until it formed under Reagan, to wit in 1988.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=whe...0j69i57j0l4.9349j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    People die everyday dude.......................always, no exceptions, really, honest injun
     
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    It was in 1950 that Israel declared it's capital city to be Jerusalem. There was no Palestinian government. They formed a government in 1988, well past the Israelis declaring their own government capital city.

    America never should have held out on the Israelis.
     
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    Yeah, I know. The Donald just made it worse.
     
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    The only people so far who agree with him is Netanyahu. NATO, UN, Russia, Saudi, Europe, France, Britain, Germany....unanimously say it's a bad thing. Even Mattis and Tillerson!
     
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    Israelis won't run the streets fomenting violence. Guess who will. Why anger me and other posters by defending the Palestinians rather brief claim to be a tiny country?

    You know very well that for the last 67 years, Israel proclaimed it's city of Jerusalem to be it's lawful capital city.
     
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    Since the capital city of Israel is up to them, it is good enough that Netanyahu agrees. He is tickled silly America finally did the right thing.
     
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    Like sparking protests in the Middle East? That kind of new? Abandoning our Arab allies in the fight against ISIS, that kind of new? Abandoning our friends in NATO who think this is a rotten idea, that kind of new? Taking the U.S. out of Middle East peace equation because of a unilateral decision by the President, that kind of new?

    That doesn't seem very bright.

    Do me a favor. Find support from nations' leaders. Besides Netanyahu, I can't find any. That should tell you something.

    Or do you adhere to the laughable assertion that Trump is right, and everyone else is wrong? That kind of thinking causes wars.
     
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    Who cares but Israel? It has for 67 years been their selected capital city. Why do you not want Israel to be recognized? Are you pals with Palestinians?
     
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    You spend your entire life on the internet complaining day after day after week after month. Is this decision going to have an impact on you or is this just more fodder on why you wish Hillary had won. Armageddon could hit Israel and you wouldn’t know unless you computer chair shook.
     
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    And Pence was standing right alongside of Trump. Geez, do they have to be so obvious?

    Another decision meant strictly for his base. Despite the many problems this decision will cause and its total unpopularity among the world's leaders every Trump fan on this thread will support Trump. Trump makes no attempt to broaden his support. He even admitted that he was fulfilling a campaign promise. He made a big deal about that.
     
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    No he just tells it like it is. Do you have a safe place, or are you willing to play with the men.
     
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    Wheee! :roll:
     
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    Pence is a despicable, typical, bible thumping hypocrite.
     
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    What protests, who cares, who makes policy decisions based on the mood of the medieval fanatical muslim street?
    Are you saying the muslims are actually violent thugs that Islamophobes say they are? :D ;)

    Trump rule #1 - no bending over backward for the liberal mob any more
    Trump rule #2 - no bending over backward for the Islamic mob any more
     
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    And here I thought you wanted him for president after you impeach Trump LOL
     
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    Awesome post, man.
     

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