The Anti Gun movement kills its own arguments

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Do you think a waiting period reduces gun shot illegal homicides

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Hatred of freedom.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Then don't show your evidence. Especially id it does not exist. LOL
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NICS checks prevent tens of thousands of people every year from illegally buying guns from gun dealers. And you think this is a waste of time.

    why do you want rapists and child molesters to easily get a gun?
     
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    Yet less than 0.02% of them are ever put in prison for attempting that purchase, leaving free to acquire guns easily and illegally through straw purchases, corrupt FFLs, illegal street sellers and theft.

    If the law was actually enforced and those who lied on the Form 4473 were actually arrested and convicted, tens of thousand of criminals would be in jail, unable to buy a gun through any means.

    That's what we want. Without enforcement, background checks are merely security theater.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so the ATF needs to hire more agents to handle the workload.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    even if it was 100% enforced, you'd still oppose background checks as "harrassment"
     
  7. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    if they are really hard core criminals, why aren' t they being prosecuted? and why do you want laws that only impact honest people on top of that if we don't enforce laws against criminals?


    answer-passing laws harasses the law abiding

    enforcing the laws impedes criminals

    gun banners are all about harassing law abiding gun owners and pretending it impedes criminals

    and there is no evidence those people who want guns to commit crime are not able to get them
     
  8. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah if there is no quick appeal with financial compensation for those wrongly denied.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    we need to enforce current laws before you try to foist your schemes to make the USA like NYC on the rest of us
     
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    No arrests need be made. They are preventative in nature. Make them universal and apply registration
     
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    I've done a background check on every firearm I've purchased from an FFL, and never felt it was harassment even when one took 10 days to get through NICS post-Sandy Hook.

    Harassment is requiring a background check that costs up to $50 for a private sale. Harassment is requiring every member of a trust to get a background check when a firearm is added to the trust. Harassment is requiring a background check for a transfer between family members. Harassment is requiring a background check to load a firearm to a friend, and another to take the gun back. Harassment is requiring CCWs to pass a background check to get another firearm. Harassment is requiring a background check for two gun owners to simply exchange firearms for any length of time while legally shooting in a National Forest.
     
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    When that happens, then you can claim that background checks are effective. Until then, it's simply not true.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    Unsurprisingly you have no cogent response.
     
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    you tell me, why didn't John Ashcroft prosecute them?

    why isn't Jeff Sessions prosecuting them?
     
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    I expect we will eventually have stronger national gun laws, such as UBC, a new assault weapons ban, magazine limits, etc.

    and what will the result be? most Americans will accept the new laws and follow them.
     
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    see this is the sort of silliness we see-Vegas doesn't want to arrest criminals who try to buy guns, he wants to harass honest gun owners with registration
     
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    I think you are wrong People like me outvote gun banners like you
     
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    Well trump and the GOP certainly doesn't want to arrest them. He could do that tomorrow. Those gun banners!!!! LOL
     
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    IN other words, vegas and Ron want to harass gun owners with their proposed laws
     
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    Its a form....OOOOOOH the agony. lol
     
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    Are you sticking with this lie?
     
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    common sense gun rules aren't "harrassment".
     
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    Its a form. Somehow you will survive
     
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    laws that only impact the legal environment of honest gun owners are not common sense
     
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    It is an insult to people who have been truly harrassed
     

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