The gun control thread

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Vegas giants, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Xenamnes

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    Which will yield no legitimate law enforcement benefit to justify such an approach, even if such a system could be executed and implemented flawlessly. The nation of Canada could not achieve such with only a limited number of shotguns and rifles intended for hunting, why would the united states be able to do any better?
     
  2. Vegas giants

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    That's nice. Let me know when you have a plan
     
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    your plan does not suddenly gain merit, when it has none, because others don't have plans to harass honest gun owners
     
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    After all this....over 500 posts....I have yet to see a plan to reduce gun deaths from the pro gun crowd that offers the detail that is expected from the gun control crowd.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    The gun control crown is advocating infringing on a right and hasn’t generated a plan or argument that gun rights advocates find the least bit compelling because it directly impacts the law abiding and does not address the source of the problem, criminal behavior.
     
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    In YOUR opinion
     
  7. Reality

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    Bureaucramancy, of course. The magic bureaucrats will protect us all
     
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    Of course it’s my opinion. So what? I wager, I am far from being alone in that opinion.
     
  9. Vegas giants

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    I would equally wager I am far from alone in mine as well.
     
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    ITS an interesting and impotent debate tactic from vegas

    1) I have a plan

    2) I claim it will reduce crime

    3) My plan proposes nothing that actually punishes wrongful acts or increases the penalty on criminals but rather

    4) criminalizes currently legal behavior and only applies to people who have not harmed anyone

    5) any plan that either targets malum per se activities or DOES NOT harass honest citizens will be rejected as not being

    "A PLAN"

    6) my plan is valid merely if YOUR plan does not harass legal gun ownership

    7) that my plan will decrease crime is guaranteed because I have faith that it will


    there is the sum and substance of the anti gun side's Crime control plans as presented by our energetic gun restrictionist
     
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    Add,
    8) let’s experiment with more gun controls and see what happens.
    9) we need more gun control laws, more is better even if they aren’t enforced
    10) I have a public plan and a hidden agenda
     
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    you have to understand the attitude we are dealing with

    the real crime to them is voting against liberal politicians due to gun issues
     
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    I agree, but many in the LW have been indoctrinated to group think and conformity to the point where they are oblivious to the goals and objectives of the leaders they follow; useful tools.
     
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    Not nearly enough "you bastard why don't you care about the children! You want them all to die horribly don't you! Why won't anyone think of the children!??!!?!?!?!?!?!" wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Or "you just want criminals to rape and murder everyone, is that it?".
     
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    The same could be said for yourself. So far nothing has actually been presented by yourself except rambling, and the work has been done to confirm such as being a factual statement.
     
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    Anytime you have a plan just present it for debate. I would love to hear it
     
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    It is not necessary to be in possession of a plan, to demonstrate that another is either absent a plan, or that their plan has no merit to warrant such an approach.
     
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    You can do anything you want. But don't ask me for mine if you do not have one too.
     
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    Pray tell why is a plan necessary for myself? No claims have been made by myself as to how to adequately address an ongoing problem that all other attempts have failed to address in the past.
     
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    If you have no plans on how to reduce gun violence you are not here to debate. You are just here to attack anyone that does have a plan.
     
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    Possessing nothing more than a flawed plan is worse than having no plan at all. That is why the constant, numerous flaws are being pointed out so they can be addressed. The simple refusal to address blatant flaws when they are pointed out does nothing beneficial.
     
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    You are not part of the debate. Get in the game with a plan or sit on the bench and be quiet. I am in the game. You are just watching and yelling from the bleachers. LOL
     
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    In any organized game event, if a player is not performing adequately, they referee will eventually remove them, and they will be sanctioned if their conduct is unsportsmanlike. Simply being in the game, as is claimed by yourself, does not lend any greater degree of legitimacy to your participation, than those who are commenting on the blatant shortcomings of a proposal.

    It has been pointed out how the proposal being presented by yourself is economically unsustainable. Nothing has been presented by yourself to address such facts.
     
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    see post #560
     
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    You have no plan at all so all your comments are easily dismissed. You just want to yell from the bleachers
     

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