How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?

DennisTate · Jan 2, 2018

I asked this question over in another discussion and I got back an absolutely brilliant response.

Now I have to admit that my answer to this problem... would cost a whole lot less......
but AboveAlpha's response was certainly better in many, many ways than the lost cost solution that I had in mind.

Stopping the rockets from landing on the Israeli town of Sderot would be a good way to get the 2017 Era of Moshiach predicted by Rabbi Judah ben Samuel started!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tiversal-models.400055/page-4#post-1064858430

Off the Chart Universal and Multiversal Models.

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On that note.......... I wish to put something of a challenge to you and your team....... all the way up....... and I mean that ........ all the way up!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...utah-state-dollar-save-the-usa-dollar.349935/

Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?

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I wish to try my best to get the artistic community of the nation of Israel working on a higher level of cooperation with the people of this time period who might qualify as Warriors of the RAinbow as predicted by Eyes of Fire!

Hollywood..... is all set up....... to do a better job of creating money than has ever been done by the Federal Reserve.......... not a perfect job of course.... but better than the Fed........
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On that note........ I, Dennis Tate, wish to issue a challenge to all faculty and staff of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem AND all faculty and staff at The University of Utah....... to come up with a plan to virtually stop all rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel.............. I will come up with my own plan and type it out here.... So this is a pretty serious public challenge..... and you might want to pass this on to anybody who you know associated with those two universities...........
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All that is necessary to do is convince the leadership of the P. A. that there are one or two or three people in Sderot, Israel........ who are highly valuable to all Muslims....... so that they begin to worry that shrapnel from one of those rockets might hit those one or two or three individuals.... and the rockets will stop!
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I betcha you can think of another one of the discussions that I got going that is directly related to this?

Yup.... it is the one about a message from the Patriarch Adam as delivered through Pastor Rick Joyner!
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Dennis.....the ONLY WAY...to do this is to have installed a U.S. Military FEL...or FREE ELECTRON LASER provided power by at least two A1B Fission Reactors.

Then use one of the new OVER 5000 QUIBIT....actual number of Quibits is CLASSIFIED....Quantum Computers as before Quantum Processors they had to use these large but very powerful NETWORKED IBM SUPER COMPUTERS......but these would have to be tied into some SERIOUS HARDCORE ACTIVE RADAR SYSTEMS....and there would have to be LAND BASED RADAR, SATELLITE BASED RADAR, AIRCRAFT CARRIED RADAR......AND SHIP DEPLOYED RADAR.

The U.S. FEL when properly provided power is capable of VAPORIZING A 1 TO 1.5 CM HOME THROUGH 1000 FEET OF SOLID STEEL!!!

The ONLY way that it would be possible to stop all Rocket Attacks on Israel.....would be to have a MULTILE LAYERED DETECTION SYSTEM...Radar, IR-Light, Atmospheric Displacement Detection...etc....and the ONLY Nation that has such systems of the FEL is THE UNITED STATES.

Anyone could carry a small rocket with a 2 mile range and launch it wherever they put it down and this rocket could have a small BUT LETHAL PAYLOAD.....enough to kill a family having a PICNIC LUNCH....so the ONLY way to stop something like this is first.....

#1. MULTIPLE LAYERS OF DETECTION.

#2. EITHER QUANTUM COMPUTERS OR NETWORKED IBM SUPER COMPUTERS FOR TARGETING THE FEL.

#3. AT LEAST 2 A1B NUCLEAR REACTORS SUPPLYING POWER TO THE FREE ELECTRON LASERS SO THAT THE MISSILES WARHEAD AND WARHEAD ALONE IS TARGETTED AND VAPORIZED.

#4. An FEL or FREE ELECTRON LASER SYSTEM....and the U.S. doesn't just lend these out and just one probably costs more than the entire 3 Year GDP of Israel.

#5. PEOPLE TO RUN IT!!! As only the American Techs. are going to understand how to use this.

So....unless someone comes out with STAR TREKIAN SHEILDS.....the FEL is the ONLY ACTUAL EXISTING SYSTEM THAT CAN DO THIS!!!

AboveAlpha
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So how do YOU think that the rockets could perhaps be stopped from landing on Israel?

Obviously some of you feel that Israel going back to the 1967 borders would be the way to get this started.

DennisTate · Jan 2, 2018

For the record... . the Jubilee year is always proclaimed on Yom Kippur.....
and will last to the day before the following Yom Kippur in the next year so.......
we have until the day before Yom Kippur 2018 to get the Era of Moshiach
up and running......

Rabbi Judah ben Samuel stated that 1917, 1967 and 2017 would be Jubilee years but for the record.... there is some discussion as to whether or not the gap between Jubilee years is 49 or 50 years.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...-judah-ben-samuels-internet-prophecy-opinion/
The Mystery of the Lost Jubilee: Part VII – Judah Ben Samuel’s “Internet Prophecy”
By Bob O'Dell & Gidon Ariel January 11, 2016 , 8:00 am

Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...nternet-prophecy-opinion/#Id5LQyskbEBcpAtA.99

Now, we fast forward to the Internet Age and describe the Jubilee Prophecy that has begun to be attributed to him in thousands of web pages and writings since 2008.

The Internet Prophecy

The prophecy attributed to Judah Ben Samuel goes like this:

“When the Ottomans conquer Jerusalem, they will rule over Jerusalem for eight Jubilees. Afterwards, Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one Jubilee, and then in the ninth Jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”
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After Judah Ben Samuel’s death in 1217, it was actually the Mamluks who would capture Jerusalem first. They did so in 1250. But the Ottomans would take Jerusalem in 1517 and they would hold it for exactly 400 years until 1917, as we discussed in the last article.

So the articles that promote this prophecy point out that 400 years between 1517 and 1917 is eight Jubilee periods exactly, assuming that the Jubilee is 50 years in length. They further note that 1917 to 1967 is the ninth Jubilee period, during which Jerusalem was controlled by the British and then divided between Israel and Jordan between 1948 and 1967.
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wgabrie · Jan 2, 2018

Dennis, I have my own opinion on this and that is to have a one state solution. I'm mad at the Palestinians for failing to form a viable, successful state and I think it's time to make the entire area just Israel. Of course the existing Palestinians need to be shipped out of there to prevent them from out breeding the Israelis and turning the place into an Arab slum.

DennisTate · Jan 2, 2018

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Dennis, I have my own opinion on this and that is to have a one state solution. I'm mad at the Palestinians for failing to form a viable, successful state and I think it's time to make the entire area just Israel. Of course the existing Palestinians need to be shipped out of there to prevent them from out breeding the Israelis and turning the place into an Arab slum.
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Yes.......
and a truly gifted online friend of mine has given them a blueprint that they could use to make that happen.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/gods-peace-plan-for-the-holy-land.322565/

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land

....... If you take the indigenous sacred books of almost everybody in the Holy Land (the Qur'an & the Bible's Old & New Testaments) and put them together, what you get is One Nation with two sub-states that correspond with the pre-1967 war borders, with the exception of Jerusalem, which isn't divided, but instead serves as united capital of the entire country. That's it in a nutshell.(R. M.)
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http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-holy-land-this-booklet-is-brilliant.363830/

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land... this booklet is brilliant!

(Robert Mendelson) "PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND & NDE PEOPLE - 2

A VISIT TO THE 3RD HEAVEN - PART 1

About twenty one years ago (11/13/1992), I experienced something similar to a "near death experience" [NDE]. NDE occurs when a person is close to death and their spirit leaves their body and then returns. What happens may differ for individuals. Some people visit "heaven". Usually, NDE's occur when people are seriously hurt, often they're believed to be clinically dead. For me it was different. I wasn't injured or dead. Actually, it was just like the experience Paul went through in 2 Corinthians 12. Paul was in perfect health at the time of his experience, too. What I'm going to say is the truth. People I've spoken with over the last twenty one years can, at the very least, verify this is what I've told them.

It all began Sunday, November 10, 1992, on the front lawn of Pebble Hill Church, where I happened upon my brother Jon. Our relationship was strained and it seemed nothing could penetrate the barrier between us. That morning an idea popped into my mind. I said, "Jon, if there's anything I've ever done to you that's causing this wall between us, please tell me so I can apologize for it." That was a simple enough idea, and it worked. Healing happened. We felt so good about it we decided to meet Monday night at my place and see if we'd missed anything.

Jon arrived Monday evening, and we sat down and talked. It was soon apparent what happened Sunday was enough, the barrier was down. As soon as I saw this, I knew something I'd wanted to do for a long time was possible "I could reach my brother! Some pearls of wisdom I'd learned could now be shared with him, but only if done in a manner in which he could receive them. There couldn't be the slightest hint of self-righteousness or superiority, or the doorway might close forever. Oh, was I careful. Once he had what I had to offer he'd always have it, and I'd have done the best I could for my brother. He could take it or leave it, but he'd have it if he ever needed it.

Then perhaps the strangest thing I'd ever experienced until that moment occurred. While I was talking, a spirit entered the room. I'll describe him to you, but first, let me describe His entrance. He may have come right through the wall behind my brother and to his right, or else simply materialized there. The spirit was translucent. That is, I could see through him, yet was able to clearly distinguish the outline of his facial features. He was a man of many years, yet vital and vigorous, with a long full beard.

I was utterly stunned. To my amazement, although my attention was riveted upon the visitor, words of wisdom continued to gush out of my mouth to Jon. Then, the visitor moved directly behind Jon and looked me straight in the eyes. His eyes were so deep that forever was in them. And then, inside, I laughed, because the ridiculous thing was my words of wisdom meant for my brother were also going towards this being, and I knew at that moment in a deep way I can't describe, there was nothing I could ever possibly say the visitor didn't already know! I felt his eyes penetrate deep inside me, into my heart, as he examined this mortal. He caught me at just the right moment, but that figures "at a time I was being selfless" a temporary state of unconditional love. Then he left. Jon didn't see a thing." (Robert Mendelson)
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PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND & NDE PEOPLE - 3
A VISIT TO THE 3RD HEAVEN - PART 2
"I, too, couldnt believe what had happened, so by the next day I put it out of my mind. But two days later, Wednesday, the grand finale came. I was at my neighbors' garage that morning painting wooden screens and storm windows. I went home at noon, heated up some soup, and ate lunch. After eating, I leaned back in my chair and reminisced contentedly about the healing that had taken place with my brother the previous Sunday. As I sat there, I felt a wonderful glow descend upon my head and down over my shoulders. It felt warmuplifting/joyful/transcendent. Although I was awake, my eyes were closed. Had they been open, I might have reacted differently. As it was, I'd been thinking of the healing with Jon, when all of a sudden I was bathed in this wonderful glow. The thought crossed my mind that somehow I'd created this phenomena. I'd taken some self growth seminars and have been drawn to spirituality, so I thought perhaps this was some new level I'd attained. I said to myself, "Gee, Im going to do this more often." Then, from a distance but drawing nearer, I heard music; soft, tinkly, like a bell choir, from above me.

Next, a voice from above me said, "I am pleased with you." At that point I began to feel uncomfortable. The glow felt marvelous, the music was sweet, and the voice said something nice, but this couldn't be happening! God was supposed to say things like that to Jesus, not me! I began to panic. My eyes were still closed. I don't know about you, but when mine are closed I see a deep dark brownish black, or if there's light nearby, maybe yellow, orange, or red. Now, however, something entirely different filled my mind's eye; a solid background in chartreuse, a bright, vibrant, yellowish green. Superimposed on it was a pattern of round red orbs in groups of four, in square formation. Each group was evenly spaced in rows and columns that went from here toat that moment I came as close as I've ever come to comprehending infinity. I felt a sensation like the front of my brain tearing apart, wide open, and then I was terror stricken. Then another voice spoke, one I recognizedmy guardian angel. How I know this voice is a story for another time, but I've heard him more than once. Whenever I've listened to him, he's saved my life, and when I didn't listen to him on one occasion I learned a very painful lesson. This time he said, "Let it be. Let it happen."

I listened, tried to relax, and focused on breathing. The chartreuse pattern with red balls vanished, replaced by a pattern one might describe as ultimate paisley in metallic tints of carmine, turquoise, and silver. I couldn't help but appreciate the intricacy and beauty of what I saw, despite my discomfort. Then I sensed something enormous, powerful, coming towards me...then all was darkness...next I saw a point of light... which expanded, rapidly, scrolling outwards,...becoming...the mouth of a cave (or tunnel) viewed from inside looking out. The sky outside was deep black/blue, like outer space. I saw the silhouetted form of a man at the entrance. Silhouetted, because behind him, from outside the cave, Light of the most indescribable beauty streamed in. That's the best I can do. Human words can't describe the depth of its beautypale gold, shot through with all the colors of the rainbow, and more. But color is the least of its beauty.

I was vaguely aware the man was motioning me to come forward. Vaguely, because I was enraptured by the Light. I came forward, looked towards the Light, and saw it emanated from inside a "cloud". The "cloud" was the galaxy, not a cumulonimbus cloud. Something like the slender funnel of a tornado (or a "black hole") came out from within the cloud, reached down, and shot into my heart. The moment that occurred everything exploded into brightly colored sparks.
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DennisTate · Jan 2, 2018

This is one seriously impressive plan........
it sure reminds me of The Bermigo Plan, by Mr. Gordon Miller.....

http://godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

“God’s Peace for the Holy Land*”? Isn’t that a presumptuous title? Please allow

me to explain. First, since the sacred books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

provide the guidelines supporting this solution, and since I wasn’t the one who

wrote them, calling them “God’s” seems fair. That’s why the words “presented by”

precede my name on the title page. Second, this book in no way proselytizes or

puts one religion above another. Nor does it openly or subtly encourage anyone to

convert to anything. What it does is take into account something without which

attaining peace in the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine) will forever be unattainable.

That “something” is the sacred messages delivered to each of the peoples involved

in the dispute. In this case, referencing the sacred books is more than some dry,

scholarly exercise or even a gesture of courtesy. Without taking the sacred books

into account, peace in the Holy Land will be near, if not completely, impossible." (Robert Mendelson)
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PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND & NDE PEOPLE - 4
A VISIT TO THE 3RD HEAVEN - PART 3
"The next thing I'm conscious of, I was standing in a field of long, tall grass. I looked over to my left, and there was a man, thirtyish, with a beard, standing nearby. The man, the field, and everything in it, was being bathed, flooded, with the same Light I'd seen earlier. Haloes of rainbow hues formed over the man's head, traveling in ripples down the length of his body, one after another. Then I looked down at my torso, and saw bands of Light were traveling down me as well. It was "heaven". If you imagine the intensity of a blazing sun on a summer day at noon, the heat you feel on your skin, and then replace that heat with Pure Unconditional LOVE and COMPASSION, and turn the volume up; that's how it felt. Ecstasy. The thought formed in my mind; "This must be God Consciousness."

It was so wonderful, my attention was drawn to it like a moth to a flame. That isn't a bad analogy. As I looked up and my gaze drew nearer the source, the intensity of the LOVE increased so rapidly that in a split second of utter terror I knew I'd be crushed, annihilated under the weight and intensity of the Light. I couldn't look upon God and live. Neither my mortal nor spirit forms could handle something of that magnitude. The next instant I found myself back in my kitchen sitting in my chair trembling like a leaf. The whole experience took place over the course of about one and a half hours, but I recall only about 4 twenty minutes of it. I suppose I'll know more when and if I'm supposed to. After perhaps an hour I was composed enough to go back to my neighbors’ house. I told Lynn (the wife) what had happened, and the next day they gave me a copy of the "ONE YEAR BIBLE". That was the first book in my hand after the journey and it has a special significance you'll learn about next.

Before that, you should know that at the time this experience happened, I was not a member of any organized religion. I'd been raised a Protestant, but couldn't accept that good people who weren't Christians were going to hell. So, one day I went out in a field and yelled up at the sky that I would never serve a God like that, but I would pretend there really was a good God and serve that one, instead. I told God He could blast me, but never get me to serve Him. And that was that.

Years passed, and I knew there was something more than just 3D reality, I knew there was a higher power, but it was unavailable to me through scripture. Now, I'd just been taken to what I now call "upstairs", and been given a Bible upon my return. And btw, this isn't heading into a one religion over another direction. Most, if not all NDEs indicate that God has spoken to multiple peoples who today follow multiple sacred paths, and that's the understanding I also received. But, I happened to be working for a neighbor who happened to own a Christian bookstore, so I suppose God intended me to read a Bible first.

And here's the wonderful part--at least as pertains to peace. As I read through it, I began in the Old Testament. I'd be reading just like I normally read, then would come to a passage that would kind of read itself to me--like someone else speaking it to me. When that happened, I'd note the passage, then continue. By the time I reached Ezekiel, I knew I'd been shown a peace plan for the Holy Land, but didn't know what to do with it. Yet.
For the next nine years I quietly lived my life, painting houses, waiting for what was coming next. To be honest, I didn't have much choice, because while I knew I'd been given a job, I didn't know details. Then September 11, 2001, arrived, which happened to be my 50th birthday. I woke up early that morning and meditated. I didn't turn on the radio or TV. As I meditated two bits of prose popped into my mind. I felt compelled to write them down. The first was about adversity and how it can help us grow;
"The walls of a prison can also be teachers.
In order to be free,
a person must either grow tall enough to step over them,
or strong enough to push through them.
If a person does their best,
if they fail they will have peace of mind,
but if they succeed, they will have freedom and stronger muscles."

With the second one the sensation was very strange. I was being called, but not by an audible Voice. It's hard to describe, but I did my best. Here it is;
"Something that was asleep has been awoken.
I can hear God calling, inside and outside me;
I can hear Life calling, inside and outside me;
to ACTION...",
I resumed meditating. About fifteen minutes later, I received a phone call from my sister Ann. She'd been watching television and had just seen a plane (the second one) hit the World Trade Center. God's wake-up call to me came the instant before the first plane struck.

By the end of the month I'd been sent on a journey out West, returned, and was told the time had come to compile the peace plan. Since this was never mine, I knew that it would be used in God's time, not mine, and would be distributed in accordance with God's guidance and with the Holy Spirit as the active power behind its spreading outward among the people. And so it is, today.
The peace plan is called "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land", and is now translated into three languages--Arabic, English, and Hebrew. I'm going to post these next. You are free to read them and share them as God directs you. I suggest sending these to people in the Holy Land, and to anyone else who you feel needs to read it. All glory goes to God!" (Robert Mendelson)
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DennisTate · Jan 9, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, I have my own opinion on this and that is to have a one state solution. I'm mad at the Palestinians for failing to form a viable, successful state and I think it's time to make the entire area just Israel. Of course the existing Palestinians need to be shipped out of there to prevent them from out breeding the Israelis and turning the place into an Arab slum.
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Pope Francis may wish to make a trip to the Israeli town of Sderot in the not too distant future........
He is in a position to alter the whole formula........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...one-billion-catholics.514655/#post-1068511850

Who does Pope Francis probably fear more? Jesus or one billion Catholics?

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The church fathers were not one hundred percent in error.......
actually... I think that they were largely correct in most of their judgments and decisions......
but a "few flies in the ointment" did slip past them.......
but those "flies in the ointment" that make the medicine deplorable to
all Jewish scholars........
can now be properly understood in these "Latter Days" when people are running
to and fro and knowledge is being increased.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/32012.htm

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But at that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people: and a time shall come such as never was from the time that nations began even until that time. And at that time shall thy people be saved, every one that shall be found written in the book. [2] And many of those that sleep in the dust of the earth, shall awake: some unto life everlasting, and others unto reproach, to see it always. [3] But they that are learned shall shine as the brightness of the firmament: and they that instruct many to justice, as stars for all eternity. [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time appointed: many shall pass over, and knowledge shall be manifold. [5] And I Daniel looked, and behold as it were two others stood: one on this side upon the bank of the river, and another on that side, on the other bank of the river.
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If.... we Christians will admit to our most likely errors from the past 20 centuries........
we can be united with our Jewish brethren........ more and more and more and more........
but if we insist on insisting that we were not wrong.... at least a little bit....... then that possible increasing and increasing unity with
Jewish scholars will not be able to take place...........

The unity of Christians and Jews.... will cause Skepticism and Atheism to virtually
disappear from planet earth........

"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another."
[John 13:35]

This statement was made to a primarily Jewish audience......
most of whom believed that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was the promised Messiah the Passover Lamb.....
but part of the audience did not accept him as Messiah yet........
but if those two groups of Messianic and Rabbinic Jews... could respect each other.......
give each other some credit......
and openly confess when they are shown about an error that they made in the past......
then those two groups coming together will transform the whole world.......
and make it possible for many, many, many , many other groups to take several
important steps toward their former rivals............

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people." (Howard Storm Ph. D.)
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DennisTate · Jan 13, 2018

This is interesting....... Israel is dealing with this themselves.......

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-attacks-hamas-targets-in-gaza-in-response-to-rockets/

Israeli planes hit Hamas targets in Gaza in response to rockets

Palestinians say two killed; earlier, one of several rockets fired from Strip exploded in Israeli town of Sderot, damaging parked cars

The attack was carried out in response to rocket fire from the Gaza Strip on Friday. One of the rockets exploded in the Israeli town of Sderot Friday night, causing damage to several parked cars.

There were no casualties, though two people were treated for anxiety.

“The IDF views the shooting at Israeli communities severely,” the IDF said in a statement. “Hamas is solely responsible for what happens in the Gaza Strip.”

“There was a huge explosion. I heard glass shatter and car alarms. The house’s walls shook,” a resident told the Ynet news website.

The rocket was the third launch of the evening, and came shortly after Israel struck Hamas targets in Gaza in response to the previous projectile-fire.
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DennisTate · Jan 13, 2018

Eight deaths and sixty injuries in Israel in 2014 from rocket and mortar attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

This is a detailed list of Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel in 2014. All of the attacks originated in the Gaza Strip, unless stated otherwise. For information pertaining to the wider conflict, see Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli–Palestinian conflict. This list does not include reports of deaths and injuries caused by Hamas rocket and mortar attacks that fell within Gaza.

In total, all the rockets launched on Israel in 2014 resulted in 8 deaths and 60 injuries. All the fatalities occurred during Operation Protective Edge.

On 5 March, the Israeli Navy intercepted a ship containing dozens of long-range rockets being smuggled from Iran to the Gaza Strip.[1]

On 10 March, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist group that controls the Gaza Strip, unveiled a monument to its rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns, a life-sized model of an M-75 rocket in Gaza City. The group declared that the attacks "managed to take the battle to the heart of the Zionist entity (Israel)".[2]

On 23 April, Fatah and Hamas signed a reconciliation deal.[3]

In July, the number of rocket attacks launched toward Israel from Gaza increased dramatically. Eighty rockets were fired on 7 July.[4] On the following day, Israel launched Operation Protective Edge.
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Cornergas · Jan 13, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, I have my own opinion on this and that is to have a one state solution. I'm mad at the Palestinians for failing to form a viable, successful state and I think it's time to make the entire area just Israel. Of course the existing Palestinians need to be shipped out of there to prevent them from out breeding the Israelis and turning the place into an Arab slum.
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It is time the world realizes who controls Israel....it is not real Jews,descendants of Abraham....the Palestinians have more Jewish blood than they do...http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/

wgabrie · Jan 13, 2018

Cornergas said: ↑

It is time the world realizes who controls Israel....it is not real Jews,descendants of Abraham....the Palestinians have more Jewish blood than they do...http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/
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I'm an atheist and I don't care about religious reasons for the state of Israel. Israel is a modern state who was founded in the 20th century, it's an invention of the 20th century. And their government has the final word on who is or isn't an Israeli citizen.

notme · Jan 14, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

I'm an atheist and I don't care about religious reasons for the state of Israel. Israel is a modern state who was founded in the 20th century, it's an invention of the 20th century. And their government has the final word on who is or isn't an Israeli citizen.
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Modern states comply with international law, Geneva Conventions and binding UNSC resolutions. Israel does no such thing. And you also can not claim Israel is a modern state when it denies citizenship based on ethnicity.

wgabrie · Jan 14, 2018

notme said: ↑

Modern states comply with international law, Geneva Conventions and binding UNSC resolutions. Israel does no such thing. And you also can not claim Israel is a modern state when it denies citizenship based on ethnicity.
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Israel is a special case. They are surrounded by murderous barbarians and they need to take special measures to survive.

notme · Jan 14, 2018

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Israel is a special case. They are surrounded by murderous barbarians and they need to take special measures to survive.
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It's a special case alright. Israel ethnic cleanses and thieves land, to puts its civilians as close to those murderous barbarians as possible in order to survive. But it's far more likely this is just an utterly insane excuse by extremists to support ethnic cleansing Arabs for the sake that Jews get to thieve the lands their God "promised" to them.

Baff · Jan 14, 2018

Military parity.
Mutually assured destruction.

Or.. destruction of one side.

wgabrie · Jan 14, 2018

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It's a special case alright. Israel ethnic cleanses and thieves land, to puts its civilians as close to those murderous barbarians as possible in order to survive. But it's far more likely this is just an utterly insane excuse by extremists to support ethnic cleansing Arabs for the sake that Jews get to thieve the lands their God "promised" to them.
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I'm not religious, so there goes that argument about God. But, I do believe in might makes right.

notme · Jan 14, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

I'm not religious, so there goes that argument about God. But, I do believe in might makes right.
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You might claim youre not. But them Jews in Israel are. Let me remind you they believe in a religious story that the country is theirs. The story is about how their God helped Jews out to massacre every citizen of Canaan in order to thieve the land. In other words: their religion supports genocide to do so. Many Christians also got that line of thought. It starts out with Mozes, who gets to march with his happy face with his fellow Jews over the corpses of dead babies towards Canaan. I really aint making this up.

wgabrie · Jan 14, 2018

notme said: ↑

You might claim youre not. But them Jews in Israel are. Let me remind you they believe in a religious story that the country is theirs. The story is about how their God helped Jews out to massacre every citizen of Canaan in order to thieve the land. In other words: their religion supports genocide to do so. Many Christians also got that line of thought. It starts out with Mozes, who gets to march with his happy face with his fellow Jews over the corpses of dead babies towards Canaan. I really aint making this up.
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The Jews of Europe moved to the lands that became the Israeli state after a friggin holocaust. And declared their independence from an English colony. They were immediately attacked by marauding Arabs and they had to fight for their life. But they won their land and pushed back the borders because they were mighty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories#History

notme · Jan 14, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

The Jews of Europe moved to the lands that became the Israeli state after a friggin holocaust. And declared their independence from an English colony. They were immediately attacked by marauding Arabs and they had to fight for their life. But they won their land and pushed back the borders because they were mighty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories#History
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Of course. The western world just invaded that place and made it their colony, like them colonial powers did all over during those days. And the first thing them colonists did was ethnic cleansing 90% of the Arabs through genocide and terror.

wgabrie · Jan 14, 2018

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Of course. The western world just invaded that place and made it their colony, like them colonial powers did all over during those days. And the first thing them colonists did was ethnic cleansing 90% of the Arabs through genocide and terror.
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Well, of course.

I don't see where you're dispelling my argument that might makes right.

And, meanwhile the Palestinians are sitting around begging for aid money and being obstinate, not building a viable state, and trying to hide behind the U.N., and they are wondering why things are not going their way???

Well, I think it's about time that the Palestinians become a footnote in history. Their failure is complete. Time for a one state solution.

notme · Jan 14, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Well, of course.

I don't see where you're dispelling my argument that might makes right.
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Nazi Germany might made the holocaust happen... still is wrong.

And, meanwhile the Palestinians are sitting around begging for aid money and being obstinate, not building a viable state, and trying to hide behind the U.N., and they are wondering why things are not going their way???
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They are not building a viable state because Jews are thieving it from them by ethnic cleansing them at the barrel of their tanks. And the UN does nothing because the US keeps vetoing around. 10% of them ethnic cleansing thieving Jews in the West Bank are American citizens.

Well, I think it's about time that the Palestinians become a footnote in history. Their failure is complete. Time for a one state solution.
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65 years of Palestinians being ethnic cleansed by Jews has made Israel a totally militarized society, where anybody is able to get killed at any minute. While more and more countries are turning their backs to Israel. As example... the US got their butts whooped by the entire world in the UN over the embassy move. Just the US, Israel, some 3rd world Latin country and a handful of tiny island nations with US military bases voted for. That's the circle of friends Israel has. lol

DennisTate · Jan 15, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

The Jews of Europe moved to the lands that became the Israeli state after a friggin holocaust. And declared their independence from an English colony. They were immediately attacked by marauding Arabs and they had to fight for their life. But they won their land and pushed back the borders because they were mighty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories#History
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It seems to me that because the Palestinians sided with the armies that invaded Israel to
defeat and ethnically cleanse the Jewish population of Israel..........
and because they left their homes and land... .they largely
forfeited their rights to that land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces, ever since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. The Arabs' opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish resistance developed into the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–1947). In 1947 these ongoing tensions erupted into civil war, following the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which planned to divide Palestineinto three areas: an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

On 15 May 1948, the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine – Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on 2 May that it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state.[13] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[14][15][16] The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.[17]

As a result of the war, the State of Israel controlled both the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state as well as almost 60% of the area of Arab state proposed by the 1948 Partition Plan,[18] including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, some parts of the Negev, a wide strip along the Tel-Aviv-Jerusalem road, West Jerusalem and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the former British mandate, which it annexed, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. At the Jericho Conference on 1 December 1948, 2,000 Palestinian delegates called for unification of Palestine and Transjordan as a step toward full Arab unity.[19] No state was created for the Palestinian Arabs.

The conflict triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East. Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, and they became Palestinian refugees[20] in what they refer to as Al-Nakba ("the catastrophe"). In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel with many of them having been expelled from their previous countries of residence in the Middle East.
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It is interesting though that modern genetic research is linking
the Palestinians... with the Messianic Jewish community who
..... did NOT... join in the Bar Kochba REvolt... and thus.....
were NOT expelled from the Roman province of Judaea at that time.

http://www.thesanhedrin.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=807&sid=0a7defed685a9fa3e8d2f03872eaae1b

A tragic misunderstanding
(James Hider, Times UK )

The theory was originally developed by David Ben Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister. But it has gained a new lease of life since a study into a rare blood disorder shared by Jews and Palestinians revealed a closer genetic match between the communities than between Palestinians and other Arabs. �It's all a tragic mistake, a tragic misunderstanding,� said Misinai, who divides his time between tracking down Palestinians who acknowledge their Jewish heritage, and lobbying ministers, ambassadors, religious leaders and activists in both communities.

His relentless pursuit echoes the work, more than a century ago, of Theodor Herzl, the spiritual founder of modern Zionism, who petitioned emperors, sultans and politicians for the creation of a Jewish homeland - which for a while was slated to be set up in British-run Uganda.

�It takes time for people to get used to the idea. Assume that you are brought up to think that this is your enemy, and they are brought up to think that we are the enemy. And telling them now, this is a mistake, we are brothers,� said Misinai, a portly 62-year-old with a brown goatee and boundless energy. He admits that it could take decades for the communities to come to terms with his �revolutionary� theory, but he takes comfort from Ben Gurion's saying: �In Israel, in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.�

Instead of waiting for his own miracle, Misinai is enlisting an increasing number of Israelis and Palestinians. He has already recruited some unlikely supporters, from a Fatah official, to the secretary of the Sanhedrin, a council of 200 rabbis based on the biblical rulers of Jerusalem. Misinai has also taken his idea to at least one Israeli Government minister, who expressed interest but asked not to be identified. According to his theory, when Jewish fighters waged a series of unsuccessful campaigns against the occupying Roman forces in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, the Romans exacted a heavy price: they destroyed the temple in Jerusalem and exiled the vast majority of Jews.

Those who ended up in the Diaspora - mostly city dwellers - were determined to keep their Jewish identities during exile. But according to Misinai, many were allowed to stay behind to work the fertile uplands of Judea and Samaria - now known as the West Bank - to supply Rome with grain and olive oil.

Gradually, these people lost their ethnic identities, converting first to Christianity under Byzantine rule and then to Islam, as power in the land changed hands and rulers sought to homogenise the population, either through force or the offer of social privilege and tax incentives.

�We, the Jewish people, have kept our Israeli or Jewish identity by the book, by our religion, but we disengaged from the country,� said Elon Yarden, a lawyer and close associate of Misinai, who has also written on the subject. Those who stayed behind, in what became Palestine, �did not leave the country, but lost their identity�.
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notme · Jan 21, 2018

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It seems to me that because the Palestinians sided with the armies that invaded Israel to defeat and ethnically cleanse the Jewish population of Israel..........
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Myth. The Jews ethnic cleansed 100.000's of civilians, not soldiers. They even massacred civilians who did not.

and because they left their homes and land... .they largely
forfeited their rights to that land.
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You do not forfeit any rights when you flee for your life.
You're just making it all up.

DennisTate · Jan 21, 2018

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Myth. The Jews ethnic cleansed 100.000's of civilians, not soldiers. They even massacred civilians who did not.

You do not forfeit any rights when you flee for your life.
You're just making it all up.
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If..... the leadership of the Palestinian people
mentored Adolf Hitler in why he should organize a holocaust on the
Jews of Europe...............
there should be some backlash for promoting evil at that level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

Al-Husseini was the scion of a family of Jerusalemite notables,[9] who trace their origins to the eponymous grandson of Muhammad.[10] After receiving an education in Islamic, Ottoman, and Catholic schools, he went on to serve in the Ottoman army in World War I. At war's end he stationed himself in Damascus as a supporter of the Arab Kingdom of Syria. Following the Franco-Syrian War and the collapse of Arab Hashemite rule in Damascus, his early position on pan-Arabism shifted to a form of local nationalism for Palestinian Arabs and he moved back to Jerusalem. From as early as 1920 he actively opposed Zionism, and was implicated as a leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots. Al-Husseini was sentenced to ten years' imprisonment for incitement but was pardoned by the British.[11] In 1921 the British High Commissionerappointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[12][13] During the period 1921-36 he was considered an important ally by the British Mandatory authorities.[14]

His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith). Also, as he told the recruits, Germany had not colonized any Arab country while Russia and England had.[15] On meeting Adolf Hitler he requested backing for Arab independence and support in opposing the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. At the end of the war he came under French protection, and then sought refuge in Cairo to avoid prosecution for war crimes.

In the lead-up to the 1948 Palestine war, Husseini opposed both the 1947 UN Partition Plan and King Abdullah's designs to annex the Arab part of British Mandatory Palestine to Jordan, and, failing to gain command of the 'Arab rescue army' (jaysh al-inqadh al-'arabi) formed under the aegis of the Arab League, formed his own militia, al-jihad al-muqaddas. In September 1948 he participated in the establishment of an All-Palestine Government. Seated in Egyptian-ruled Gaza, this government won limited recognition by Arab states but was eventually dissolved by Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser in 1959. After the war and subsequent Palestinian exodus, his claims to leadership were wholly discredited and he was eventually sidelined by the Palestine Liberation Organization, losing most of his residual political influence.[16] He died in Beirut, Lebanon in July 1974. Husseini was and remains a highly controversial figure. Historians dispute whether his fierce opposition to Zionism was grounded in nationalism or antisemitism or a combination of both. Opponents of Palestinian nationalism have used Husseini's wartime residence and propaganda activities in Nazi Germany to associate the Palestinian national movement with European-style anti-Semitism.[17] While his ideological influence on post-war Palestinian nationalism is minimal, al-Husayni's legacy is of interest to modern scholars of Political Islam for his role in introducing radical antisemitism into Islamic fundamentalism.[18]
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Natural Citizen · Jan 21, 2018

Here's what we should do. Bring all of our troops home because we never got a declaration of war anyway and because of that all of that foreign occupation is unconstitutional, build all of our bases here, quit giving everyone else around the world all of our taxpayer money, and let em all duke it out on their own overseas. When the smoke clears, we can send a scout to see who is still standing and he can report back. Or she, if we want to be politically correct.

Good idea?

notme · Jan 21, 2018

DennisTate said: ↑

If..... the leadership of the Palestinian people
mentored Adolf Hitler in why he should organize a holocaust on the
Jews of Europe...............
there should be some backlash for promoting evil at that level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
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That's not true according to your source. Your source says:
On meeting Adolf Hitler he requested backing for Arab independence and support in opposing the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home.

It doesn't mention killing anybody. And he talked with Hitler about that since the Jews forged their Haavara agreement, making it possible for 10.000's of Jews to move to Palestine. And they wanted the colonization of their land by foreigners stopped.

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