Up to 3.6 million Dreamers in line for citizenship under DACA replacement

Why not, I would ask? They are responsible for this mess.

 

You have to nail that down or liberals will change their mind later

What I mean is no amnesty or a green card for the DACA as long as the parents are in the US

 

not for this

 

I believe Trump and the GOP do not have a problem with extending DACA. The dems have the problem. They do not want to budget money for border security. They are the obstructionists here.

 

OK, using your scenario, at the point that my 'citizenship' is challenged by the government of Iceland, I have a choice. I can apply to Iceland for permission to become a citizen, or, I can apply to Iceland for permission to work there (assuming Iceland has some sorts of "work permits" for resident-aliens).

No problem. If I want to become a citizen of Iceland, and if Iceland will have me, I can go through the process to become one. If Iceland has an alien-worker program with visas (?), I can do that. For someone who isn't a moron, or a deliberate criminal, this should be a relatively simple process....

But, if I choose not to do any of those things, I can pack my bags and get the hell OUT of Iceland and go back to wherever it is that I am a LEGAL citizen. Surely Mommy and/or Daddy can at least tell me THAT much, unless I was just the result of a few moment's fun in the sack while Mommy was blanked-out drunk or totally stoned out of her mind with whoever....

 

Just Dreamers or Dreamers plus their parents and the extended family Democrats want to bring over? You honestly think they're paying MORE into taxes than what they're getting back? Not on your life. The only way to pay Federal income tax is to have a SS#. If they have one, they not only broke our laws getting here. They're committing tax fraud and identity fraud. Care to guess how screwed a citizen would be when the IRS goes after him for tax and identity fraud? Not with kid gloves, like Democrats want to treat Illegals. If you're not making over a certain amount, you're not really paying taxes, besides sales.

The thing is, you have to think about the next round of Dreamers once Dems hand over citizenship to this flock. You'll then have another couple million, plus all their spawn=) Its not ONLY the 800k or so, Dems are selling. Its them, and their extended family and ALL the babies they're 'creating who are NOT assimilating. We wouldn't have entire towns in SoCal and South FL where you wouldn't even recognize you're in the US.

 

Well, you're basing your rage on falsehoods.

One of the worst is that this has anything to do with criminality. It most certainly does not.

Next, is that you seem to think that Democrats want all immigration law to stay as it is. But, under Obama we created a bipartisan immigration reform bill that certainly did not do that. It included tens of billions of dollars for border enhancement, e-verify to protect jobs, a rework of our visa system to reduce the number who come here and then just stay, etc. What we all should NOT want is a one at a time review of each element of our immigration policy. These policies need to work together to be successful. The only reason DACA is an issue is that Trump has said he wants to deport them immediately, and these kids are American in every way but paper - through no fault of their own.

Next, nobody in America supports criminality, including in immigration.

I think you're just getting bad information. If I accepted all your statements of the current situation, I might agree with you. But ...

 

"Nothing"? Perhaps you could argue it won't do enough, but you can't possibly claim it will do "nothing".

 

I'm good with that.

I'm also good with only allowing the dreamers who speak at least rudimentary English*, have no criminal background, and are self-supporting (not receiving any form of welfare**.)

*age appropriate, obviously
**except the disabled

 

....and the polls said Hillary would win.

 

Who insisted on including DACA on a budget deal? The Democrats caved on the shut down today, the internal polling must be telling them they will be blamed.

 

Us conservatives have to be logical about this; we lack the logistics to kick out all these people. It's more efficient to close the border, wall it up with armed soldiers, and then give amnesty to those who are here. They'll become tied to the system with the social security card and will pay taxes.

 

The hell they can't. There 9 black robes that will say differently. See, this is why elections have consequences. I wonder how many more justices Trump will appoint?

 

So why don't the repubs concede on DACA and pass the damn budget? I mean, they are going to allow the amnesty anyway, right? What gives?

 

There is no analysis that shows this wall will change the number of undocumented immigrants in America.

Trump wants to spend tens of billions of dollars on a solution when the problem isn't defined, when the solution isn't defined (like, how many miles, etc.), when the cost varies between $16B and $70B, at a time when the number of undocumented aliens isn't growing, when the bill isn't tied to a specific solution integrating the different elements of a border strategy, etc.

We don't have a rational justification for spending tens of billions of tax dollars on a physical ... whatever you want to call it, because we know it certainly is NOT a wall all along to border.

Dems have voted for money for the border in the past. It was part of the bipartisan immigration bill under Obama, for example.

This is just another piece of Trump jello.

We're throwing money at it for reasons that are mostly emotional.

BUT, we CAN fix that. We CAN require a solution with a justification.

 

At a price.....................the devil is in the details. You think Democrats will WILLINGLY pass legislation Trump is proposing????

 

That's not how it was last time. The county's credit rating slipped, and everyone had to pay higher interest rates on any kind of loan, from credit cards up to bonds sold by local, state, and federal government. We lost billions in higher interest rates.

 

I am in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia where this tomfoolery is about to take place....

New California law will automatically register illegal immigrants to vote...

What the hell is the matter with Sessions, he needs to get on it or get out of the DOJ.

#schumershutdown, #releasethememo

 

That will likely be the solution for the most part, but chronology matters. First funding for the wall, border security, ending senseless chain migration MUST happen first. (or simultaneously) Democrats are known liars. They proved it during the Reagan administration. Quid pro quo, or no go.

 

If that happens, it will trigger a constitutional crisis. I'd like nothing better than to see CA lose it's electoral votes and congressmen.

 

no it won't do anything.

 

and she did. The polls polled voters. Voters chose Hillary over Trump. The EC selected Trump.

 

I agree. First the wall, then amnesty. Otherwise, they'll flood into our country.

 

Trump was swept past Hillary on the economy and cracking down on illegal immigration, what makes you think they will give amnesty to illegals and create that many more Democrat voters.

Five reasons Republicans won't win Latino voters with immigration reform

#schumershutdown, #releasethememo

 

GOP could have used budget reconciliation to get a simple majority vote on a budget. They chose not to.

GOP owns this 100%. Trump agrees it's his fault.